SUKUK: ‘Christianise’ Nigeria too, Falana tells CAN

Femi Falana
Femi Falana [Photo credits: Newsbreakers]

A Lagos-based lawyer, Femi Falana, on Thursday called on the Christian Association of Nigeria, CAN, to “Christianise” Nigeria.

Mr. Falana spoke at the strategic dialogue  roundtable organised by the Social Economic Rights and Accountability, SERAP, held in Lagos.

The lawyer was reacting to the controversy surrounding the N100 billion Sukuk bond offered by the Nigerian government.

CAN had in reaction to the offer said the move was an attempt to islamise Nigeria.

But Mr. Falana, on Thursday, said the Sukuk bond was a legitimate means through which government could generate funds, as practiced in many countries of the world.

He called on religious leaders not to set Nigerians against themselves based on religion.

“I am challenging CAN to Christianise Nigerians; christianise us by setting up interest-free banks…” he said.

He said religious leaders must be careful in their handling of issues, stressing that suspected kidnapper, Evans, had clerics who worked for him.

“Evans has a pastor, a Muslim cleric and traditional priest…because all the prayers are needed,” he said.


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  • Abdullah Musa

    Usurious banking has received CAN’S blessing, that is why they don’t want competition from interest-free banking.

  • tundemash

    CAN of lies ! Thanks Falana for challenging those fraudsters masquerading as Christian leaders.

  • Watch man

    “I am challenging CAN to Christianise Nigerians; christianise us by setting up interest-free banks…”

    You have a point there. CAN has simply become a political organisation. There doesn’t seem to be any more difference between them and APC or PDP. If indeed they are serious let them float a financial behemoth that can give loans to the public without interest. Even the unity they are supposed to engender among christians is now a far cry from her responsibilities.

  • Iyanda

    Thank you Mr Falana , a christian for telling CAN and our religious leaders the truth.

  • Aminu Mahmoud

    If the pillars upon which Christianity was rooted is very firm why the fear to Islamized Nigerian Christians?This islamization fear exist only among Nigerian Christian leaders, i don’t know if their holy book is different from that of rest of the globe.CAN knows very well our gullible we are that’s why exploiting religious sentiment on any national issues .May Almighty God shows them the correct leadership skills.

  • wilsongaga

    God bless Falana Can has become a political party for retrogression in Nigeria, in short a PDP caucus.

    • okenwa

      Let him first go to court to stop sheria criminal law before talking about Christianise Nigeria.

      • Aminu Ahmadu

        Sharia law existed in northern Nigeria before the arrival of Oyinbo…it doesn’t apply to you but to people like me!!!

        • VERITAS_ the rock of ages_

          Thank you

        • okenwa

          It also apply to me because I can’t preach Jesus to you or any Muslim without being beheaded.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            But Sir why the provocation in the first place? We have been muslim before the Europeans set foot in Africa. Do you see where we are getting it all wrong. Let me worship my God my way and you in your way…why do you want to enforce your beliefs on me. Do you not understand the secularism forced on us by the christian west…that Biblical concept of “give to caesar what belongs to caesar”?

            Haaba be realist……you are planning to provoke and you are already concluding the out come. Please live and let’s live!!!

          • okenwa

            You should be the one answering the questions in your post. Your religion and culture predates colonial masters that forced us together and we have never been in peace because one tolerate and the other don’t and you refused us to go our separate ways to practice our religion and culture in peace because you benefit from me.

        • AFRICANER

          Your people nomading around started before arrival of oyinbo, but you won’t take your ass and keep going, you stopped in Nigeria and built a house and yet are untamed. Why not beat it?

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Don’t worry about that we are all over west and even central Africa….those that roam about will do so and people like me have settled for hundred years….nothing you can do about it.

            How’s your 5 state BiaFra business going? Or are you still in safe and peaceful Lagos heaven remotely stirring up things…ahhh where is that Jew Kanu lately, haven’t seen or heard him on TV the last two weeks. Do you think he has done a Tampolo?

            You take care buddy!

          • AFRICANER

            I’m worried about it. And there’s something I can do about it.

        • ibsoken

          That’s why this country should break up so you can have your own country where you can practice your shariah the way you want. Right?

          • tundemash

            Mor0n, there is Sharia law in UK and UK did not break up. What a d@ft ! He lost with his IPOB terrorist organisation and yet he’s not tired.

          • ibsoken

            And so what. Nigeria is not UK. What is good for UK is not necessarily good for Nigeria.

          • Gbola

            Of course I quite agree with you.. ipob might be good for America but not necessarily good for Nigeria.

          • ibsoken

            I am from the north.

          • Gbola

            Very hilarious !!

            Then again, how does your claim of being a Northerner change any part of my comment here ??

            Irrelevant !!

          • ibsoken

            That’s not the intention.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Tell me along what line can you divide Nigeria. It’s simple go to the nearest interest charge banks like the GTB Tundemash was talking about….Let Kabiru and Lasisi go to an interest free bank of their choice. case close!!!

        • Chukwuka Okoroafor

          But it will eventually apply to us in the South. That is the plan.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Who told you that, any evidence to that. We in the north have been practicing sharia for hundred of years and I have not seen any evidence that it was (and is) imposed in the Southern part of Nigeria.

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            Look at when the Sokoto Caliphate existed. Did they not attack Yorubaland? History does rhyme at least when trying to repeat itself. I can give more proof when it comes to the laws that were being proposed.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Hundred years ago people were constantly fighting it wasn’t only the Sokoto caliphate. Heard of the Jukun’s Kwararrafa’s kingdom? The west were (and still) invading nations as recent as 2003. Ignore the Inquisition, crusades, Colonialism, World wars etc.

            In this day why would a banking option provided to Muslims affect the Christians. Did you ponder the fact the current banking services was imposed by the Christian west on Nigerians? The muslims were helpless and didn’t make a big issue out of it!

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            The current banking system was a secular banking system. There is nothing Christian about it. These countries too are secular. Turkey is predominately Islamic as is Niger Republic and Senegal yet they have secular governments. Nigeria is a case where we have two legal systems, secular and Islamic. The dual system is not going to last and one is going to take over the other. This banking option is certainly part of that and though in the short term it will not directly affect the Christian, it will affect him/her in the long run.

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            Also, yes people were fighting each other but there are people who wish to relive the past. An example would be Vladimir Putin of Russia who admitted that his vision was to “recover the remains of the Soviet Union any way we can.” We can even look at the current Biafra agitation. Biafra existed from 1967-70 and yet there are people who want to resurrect Biafra. The Sokoto Caliphate had a great legacy and there are those who want to recreate that. The Saraduna of Sokoto Ahmadu Bello once said that he wanted to dip the Quran in the Gulf of Guinea. He was an irredentist. Another form of this was repeated by Senator Yerima in 2000. Of course the current Sultan of Sokoto is the great grandson of Usman dan Fodio who is the founder of the original Sokoto Caliphate. So it is all sensible.

  • Gracias

    How I wish we have more people like this in Nigeria. I was just going to say ‘God bless this guy, Femi Falana” and I saw Wilsongaga said it first in the comment below. He can read my mind. But never too much. God bless you, Femi.

  • Gracias

    CAN of worms. Political and material CAN. You must reinvent yourselves. Your own worst enemy.

  • BABUYANMA

    CAN, instead of christianizing Nigeria, is busy buying airplanes, mansions, businesses for its members.

  • Victor

    CAN to set up interest-free financial institution? You must be joking. If you mean bank of bribery and egunje…eheennn. membership of CAN is a licence to collect money from politicians and criminals naa

  • AFRICANER

    Flanagan is a half-witted man!

    Yes, Christianize Nigeria, but Do It By CRUSADE!

    Can must help ignite the War.

    I am very disappointed with Yorubas. Let’s be honest here. Sure you have a few Yorubas that are OK such as FFK and Fayose, but to have Buhari kill and assault so many Yorubas in the 1980’s, then the Yorubas forgave him and help elect him again, yet he played the Yorubas for suckers, BUT THE YORUBAS ARE NOT DISAPPOINTED?

    NO, THE YORUBAS ARE HORRIBLE PEOPLE! !!

    • realist

      This has nothing to do with tribe, Falana is being realistic and sincere. Free interest loan from Muslims for all Nigerians has no tribal link, as hunger has no tribe. CAN members specialize in cornering all church proceeds and live large at the expense of ordinary church people and only make noise as a pretence to deceive these impoverished members – we are defending your interest o.

      • AFRICANER

        You can’t look at this in isolation. You have to look at the entire scheme, including the appointments to the security agencies of the country, over 95% Muslim, which led to invading the Christian South East.

        • Gbola

          MADNESS ON DISPLAY
          ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■

          .
          What has all your senseless rantings here got to do with an interest free banking.

          It’s not by force naw.

          Go and borrow money from the banks that charge you interest.
          No one is holding you at gun point and forcing you to take an interest free loan. So stop your Madness already.

          ■■
          Our Christian brothers collected all the tithes and opened redeem university, Covenant university et al which was so expensive that most of their members could not afford to send their kids there.

          We didn’t hear from CAN then.

          NO ONE charged CAN for christianizing Nigeria through university education.

          ■■
          Our Christian brothers were using tithes to buy private jets left, right and center.
          One pastor even used the church’s private jet to air-freight 9.3 million dollars.

          We didn’t hear from CAN then oh.
          In fact, NOT A SINGLE WORD.
          Neither did Muslims accuse them of christianizing Nigeria.

          ■■■■■
          Here you are attacking a free interest loan as if you’re forced to patronize them.

          ■■
          Meanwhile, I can bet you that some of the CAN leaders would patronize this interest free loans behind your back.

          Abegiiiiii

          • AFRICANER

            So why stop at banking? Why not use the same argument to open your own islamic country, and let the others go do their own country?

          • Gbola

            Banks are to lend money to people in need.

            Stop making this any difficult.

            Competition is good for our traditional banks like GTB First bank etc who charge as much as 25% on a loan.

            That’s what’s stemmed growth in the business sector.

            Stop being senseless !!

          • AFRICANER

            Nigeria is a capitalist, democratic republic. The banking we have is just fine.

            If you want something else, go do your own religious state, we don’t want it. Regardless of the merits of idlamic anything, having a secular state is sacrosanct.

          • Gbola

            Really ??

            25% interest on loans is fine ??

            You’re dumber than I thought.

          • AFRICANER

            Islamic banking idea is so ridiculous, it is tantamount to saying you want to open IWASC (Islamic West African School Certificate), where students don’t have to go to school or take exams, but obtain their certificates for free, to compete with WAEC.

            Oxymoron.

            We don’t want it. Take it and go do your own country.

          • tundemash

            Oloshi , stopping using “we”. You are not forced to patronize it !

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Who are you? The last time I checked this is Zoogeria’s affairs so shove off buddy!!!

          • AFRICANER

            You lost your fake cool. That didn’t last long.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            I am in Rome you are a Roman…that’s the only way to converse with you.
            When you are stirring up things me, Tundemash and co will definitely come after you!!

          • AFRICANER

            I like the you are rome, I’m Roman bit…clap for yourself on that.

          • Smart

            Ipob terrorist

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            You are the one looking for a new country BiaFra, by the way what’s your concern with Zoogeria’s Christian and muslim business. Go home print your own BiaFra dollar and do your interest bank.

        • Smart

          Point of correction, south East Christian governors are the one who proscribed terrorist ipobs.

          All ipobs are igbos but not all igbos are ipobs = terrorist

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Real smart I must say!!!!

        • tundemash

          Oloshi, did the army not also invade the Shiites ?

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            North east, Zamfara forest for cattle rustlers, Zaki Biam and Odi….oh you can’t invade the chosen people land (Jews eh?) even after killing Hausa’s, Police officers, burning mosque and police station!!!

      • Aminu Hammanyero

        Lol some mallams sabi chop community money go marry four wives too. Nice one though!!!

    • Gracias

      What are you smoking! FKK and Fayose are ok?? I believe you have joined the addicts in taking very hard substances.

    • Smart

      2/3 of yorubas are Muslims and they are the pioneers of all banking systems in Nigeria.
      They’re not morons like you

      • Aminu Hammanyero

        Lol so true!!!

    • tundemash

      Oloshi , when same Falana said proscribing the terrorist IPOB was illegal; you did not label all YORUBAS as horrible then. You are a cursed human being and your generations unborn are cursed to lying like you!

    • Aminu Hammanyero

      You are one hell of a bigot…I am a fulani man but surely you will learn a thing or two about wisdom from the Yorubas…..
      They are too sophisticated for most people. Education, banking and finance, industries and lately even politics are their strong points……

      Oh lest I forget, their city Lagos is so attractive to Nigerian traders that they have actually renounced their villages for Lagos.
      Hey, check it out the have a long history and their Oyo empire goes up to the Togo border. So, these people can’t be useless!!!

      Stop this hate and bigotry…it wont get you anywhere. Last time we were arguing about BiaFra and today it’s about Islamic banking until you deviated to attacking Yorubas!!! Pathetic..

  • qamarudeen

    We have always been saying that anything that could ease us economically would be welcomed.
    I am a Muslim, if CAN comes up with interest-free loan, who is me to reject it?
    CAN come with solutions not accusations.

  • ibsoken

    The argument is not about the benefit of sukuk, it is about its constitutionality in multi religious country. Falana knows that it is unconstitutional. That’s why he evaded address legal basis of sukuk. Instead he expressed his religious bigotry.

    • Gbola

      Stop the nonsense.
      Ask CAN to reciprocate it by setting up a Christian interest free banking.

      Or betterstill, get CAN to tell all Christians NOT to patronize or borrow money from the supposed Muslim bank.

      Please go through Google and read up on the number of western world countries where this bank operates successfully.

      • AFRICANER

        Civilized western countries accommodate minority yearnings, but make no mistake about it, nothing Muslim is mainstream in these climes. Therefore, you will ultimately fail with your propaganda and lies.

        • Gbola

          But how does interest free banking hurt you as a person ??

          Would you be okay if it was introduced by CAN and not Muslims ??

          If so, why not ask CAN to introduce their own ??

          VERY SIMPLE !!

          • AFRICANER

            I have a better suggestion, those who want islamic banking, want islamic state, right? I say give them their own islamic country!

          • Gbola

            Again stop your nonsense !!

            You’re free to patronize GTB and their likes, who charge 25% on loans.

            You’re not being forced to obtain a loan from ANY bank.

            If at all anything, Competition with all our conventional banks that charge 25% on loans – IS HEALTHY.

          • AFRICANER

            Your argument is tantamount to saying you want to open IWASC (Islamic West African School Certificate), where students don’t have to go to school or take exams, but obtain their certificates for free, to compete with WAEC.

            We don’t want such competition, or such religious oxymoron.

          • Gbola

            Stop saying “We”.

            You might not like a zero free interest on loans.

            Others might like it.

            Again, its not by force.

            But stop imposing your likes and dislikes on others.

            If no one patronizes these interest free banks, they’ll close up. So don’t make that your head

          • AFRICANER

            Your reply is not responsive to my comment. Try again.

          • Ifeanyi

            If you are a true Christian you should know that God also demands us not to be involved in interest charges, but because our priests own banks or have shares there they contemplate that at all

          • AFRICANER

            Nice try Gbola; but changing your handle to ifeanyi doesn’t absolve you from answering the pending comment with a responsive input. Try again.

          • Gbola

            Hehe hehe

            Very funny !!

            What has @Ifeanyi said that I can’t say under my own handle ??

            You’re a comedian.
            Apply for a job in nollywood.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Spot on!!!!

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Ol’boy Nigeria needs your kind!!!!

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            We are Nigerians we get what we want without denying our Christian brothers their right!!!!

        • Aminu Hammanyero

          So if the west can accommodate minorities and their needs, why is Nigerian going to deny muslim their right (you do know the census, dont you now?).

      • ibsoken

        Engage my claim. Don’t evade it. There is no need for can to introduce anything no matter how beneficial it is if it will provoke religious discord and disharmony. This is a common sense.

        • Gbola

          Abeg where was CAN when pastors or churches opened private universities (Redeem and Covenant university) ??

          Did you hear any Muslim complain ??

          So why would you object to an Islamic banking system of zero interest loan ??

          The banks that charge interest would still be there to serve your needs. No one is being forced to patronize the free interest banks.

          It’s as simple as “A…B…C”

          • AFRICANER

            Take it and go open your own country, we don’t want it.

          • Gbola

            You’re acting as if you’re being forced to take a loan. What’s your problem ??

            People who like the interest free loans would patronize them. People who like the 25% GTB interest loans would keep patronizing them as well.

            Comoetition has NEVER BEEN UNHEALTHY.

            Abeg spare me from now on.

          • AFRICANER

            The thing about islam is that even when suggesting something, or debating, it’s almost like terrorism!

            Gbola, your islamic banking is tantamount to saying you want to open IWASC (Islamic West African School Certificate), where students don’t have to go to school or take exams, but obtain their certificates for free, to compete with WAEC.

            We don’t want such competition. Just go do your own country up north. Then you can have whatever you want there.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            It doesn’t involve you and it will happen God willing…..guess what I bet you the first customers will be the clever Ndi Igbo traders…yes they are good customers of Jaiz already!!!!

            GTB and others have their doors open for you, go patronize them and we will never stop you and vice verse!

          • tundemash

            Mr. AFRICAN LIAR, we want it; you are not forced to patronize it.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Oh we want it and bring it on!!!

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            My God you made it so so simple but then again wasn’t it Jesus that said: This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. Mat 13:13

      • Jon

        Listen punk. No Islamic bank. Period.

        • Smart

          IBB= ISLAMIC BANK OF BRITAIN.
          Bam! British are those converted Nigerian Christian into Christianity. But have an Islamic bank not jaiz

        • tundemash

          Mor0n, who are u to declare that ?

      • Aminu Hammanyero

        Say no more Governor!!!!

    • Jon

      Buhari’s alleged illegality has reached a point where impeachment proceedings should be commenced. Civilized Western world has now issued a pronouncement that IPOB is not a terrorist organization. Hausa/Fulani terrorists’ herdsmen that have been killing and raping women all over Southern Nigeria and Middle Belt are all walking freely.

      Buhari’s alleged attempt to stop Restructuring will not succeed. The South and Middle Belt cannot wait until Buhari and his parasitic Hausa/Fulani invaders find oil in the desert of Arewa sharia Republic to commence restructuring.

      Those who refuse to restructure in accordance with 1963 independence constitution as agreed upon by our founding fathers, make de-amalgamation or disintegration inevitable.

      • Gracias

        You and your likes are a HUGE JOKE.

      • systematic

        U are out of context.everyone in this forum is talking about sukuk but because of ur illiterate hatred on buhari u are saying nonsense,and whether u like it o not ipob remain terrorist group

      • tundemash

        Olodo, are u so d@ft you can’t change this copy & paste you have been pasting for over 2weeks now ????

      • Aminu Hammanyero

        Wasn’t your uncles the first to kill sleep in Nigeria. Major Kaduna fired the first infamous shot, then Ironsi brought your Prof Nwabueze to abrobogate the regional arrangement….

        You see governor the evil that mean do surely lives 51 or more years after them….

    • Gracias

      The problem of this country is the half educated people like ibsoken. They think they know but they know nothing. He is talking about constitutionality as if he knows what it means! Do you think CAC and SEC would even register any corporate body or fund that has been constituted illegally. Go back to school and learn properly instead of talking about bigotry. You are one of the people leading those who cannot read nor write astray. Half education is dangerous.

      • ibsoken

        Thanks for advertising your ignorance. Unlike sukuk, private universities are not government institutions. Government has no business in running or funding them. They are not government programs.

        • Gbola

          Doesn’t government fund universities (like FG colleges, etc) ??

    • tundemash

      Mr. Religious Bigot, is Nigeria more christian than UK where you have SUKUK and Islamic banking operating ?

      • ibsoken

        Yes!

        • Aminu Hammanyero

          Yet we are known to be so corrupt…in fact fantastically corrupt…
          Africans and our sentiments!!!

          • ibsoken

            There is corruption everywhere.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Deep in your heart you know that we are terribly corrupt and stupidly naive. Open your eyes!!!

          • AFRICANER

            You are insanely against corruption, but terrorism and beheading is very okay with you.

            Weird!

          • yusuf

            Please sir, tell me what is beheading and what is terrorism according to your understanding of English?

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            100% against any fanaticism and violence ask anyone from the NE. It wasn’t a good experience!!!

          • AFRICANER

            Then, go, preach against it incessantly.

        • AFRICANER

          It’s funny, on this thread all the commentators who normally pretended to be Christians, finally admit that they are muslims: gbola, tunde mess etc …wow

          • ibsoken

            It’s unfortunate to assume that simply because one is from the north, they’re Muslims.

          • AFRICANER

            Do they have a choice?

          • Gbola

            I don’t owe you any explanation as to my religion, so you need not bother yourself.

            Should you want to know, Christianity is awhole lot more than being against an Islamic banking system where they charge zero percent interest on loans.

  • Smart

    IBB = ISLAMIC BANK OF BRITAIN

    CAN is surely afraid of the true teachings of the holy Bible, all these flamboyant lifestyle, indecent dressing, touching, shaking or hugging other people wives, alcoholism, interest, pig consumption are all prohibited in the Bible.

  • joe-t

    Does Islamizing Means The Same Thing As Islamizing Ones Heart,When Will Christians Learn To Grow Away From Petty Politics In The Name Of Religion?.

    • tundemash

      These jokers are fraudster masquerading as Christian leaders. True christians don;t believe in them; they are there to deceive the gullible and end up buying private jets and setting up private schools their members can;t even afford to send their kids.

      • Aminu Hammanyero

        I worked in a Christian organisation for over five years in London….guess what these people have never interfered with my life for a day. They even provided a mosque in the office complex. Another Strength thing I noticed was they always tell me their grandparents were christians not them…yet they are honourable people!!!

        They converse is true in Nigeria, more worship centers than factories yet more criminals…..Sad I must say!!!

        • AFRICANER

          Great testimony for Christians!
          We are very accommodating and great neighbors. Tell your people to emulate those London Christians and stop beheading them.

          • Maroof Oyewo

            Did you read what he said at all? That those kind colleagues of his kept saying their grand parents were Christians and not them. THEY THEMSELVES AREN’T CHRISTIANS! Read between the lines next time and stop being a petty fanatic.

          • AFRICANER

            Christianity is a religion, culture, civilization, and life.

            Even if somebody doesn’t go to church, they are still civil, as a person with Christian background.

          • Maroof Oyewo

            So you mean to say for instance, that an average Japanese without Christian background is not civilized. My friend, your argument and claim is stained with prejudice.

          • AFRICANER

            The Japanese were out of control, and imperialistic until the Christians conquered and defeated them in WW2, and wrote a Constitution to democratize and civilized them. That is exactly what Muslims deserve now.

            So, you picked a good example.

          • Maroof Oyewo

            And Christian Germany under Christian Adolf in same WW2 went haywire when they thought they were a superior race to the rest of the world before the allied forces, which included Muslim soldiers cut them back to size. So yes I did pick a good example. And remember, in 1099, Christian leader, Pope Urban II, commanded the bloody massacre of innocent Muslim and Christian civilians in Jerusalem in the name of a holy war for God, in case you need another example.

          • AFRICANER

            Like I stated earlier, Reformation, otherwise known as the religious revolution, took place in the Western church in the 16th century; of which its greatest leaders were Martin Luther and John Calvin. This undoubtedly had far-reaching political, economic, and social effects; it brought about the founding of Protestantism, one of the three major branches of Christianity, and total civility in the world of Christianity, and by extension the world.

            Islamic world needs such reformation.

            Therefore, your citation of 1099 is before this reformation.

            The Germans were not acting out of religious tenets, so that’s a bad example. Their defeat came in the hands of good Christian nations.

          • Maroof Oyewo

            And like I also stated earlier, your arguments and claims are stained with prejudice. You fanatically keep bringing religious sentiments into the discuss despite glaring facts against them. Your flimsy excuses for historical facts are quite unparalleled so trying to prove anything to you will only be a waste of time. Continue living in your fanatic dreams.

          • Maroof Oyewo

            And remember, if there can be your so called ” good Christian nations” there can also be likewise “bad Christian nations”. So stop this argument for “Christianity”.

          • AFRICANER

            Many times, I use “Christian” in the adjective form, not the noun; it’s actually a civilization, a culture, as well as a people. Therefore, its use is inevitable. I’m convinced you understand what’s up.

          • Maroof Oyewo

            You only understand yourself, I don’t. It’s all made up by you.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Lol

          • AFRICANER

            Very well, take care.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            He will always argue with twisted logic!!!
            This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand….Mat 13:13!!!

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Good Christian nations that were denying black people & soldiers as mere sub humans….Those red Americans that cites biblical verses to control black as sub human…they say and till today believe we are the cursed descendant of Noah…So please keep your sentiments to yourself!!!

            Joke I must say.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Yes the Christian west civilised your ancestors by taken them as slaves and throwing millions into the atlantic ocean en route to America. yes the Spanish inquisition was an inspiration from god(?), Killing million vietnamese for refusing capitalism. The WW 1&2 with over 70 million deaths was for a noble cause?

            You see I have lots of examples to give that people are wicked and they will have to hide under an ideology….be it Islam or Christianity but it will never make it right.

            Do away with your bigotry and embrace love & tolerance. It will make you see things clearly and even make you happier!!!

          • AFRICANER

            That was not the discussion. We weren’t debating if people do evil things. History is replete with human beings doing evil.

            We were dealing with a much wider subject of civilization.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Beclouded by hate and bigotry….he won’t make any meaning out of it!!!

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Perhaps you refused to understand their confession as atheists, yet honorable. Let’s for argument sake say they are christians, isn’t it you that should be learning from them. You should learn to be tolerant and do away with bigotry.

            Religion I swear is poorly understood by we Africans. Its a means to earthly prosperity and at the same time bigotry. How would you explain a country with probably the highest number of worship centers than factories, yet the most corrupt nation on earth. A country where the so call men of God drives Rolls Royce, fly private jets, Marry four wives in different villas, have dociled followers commit all sort of crimes in the name of religion, built expensive universities ordinary folks couldn’t afford, enjoy the best life could offer while their almajiri followers beg for food left overs. All these rubbish has to stop for us to prosper as a nation.

            By the way Africaner, why are you bothered about the Zoo’s bankingbonds issues. You should be concern about how to find your Jewish Lord Namdi Kanu to actualise your BiaFra…………

            When you ever get your Christian Ndi Igbo ONLY BiaFra please make your interest banks charge 100% interest. Deny the Yoruba pastors coming over your BiaFra as your master Kanu proclaimed.we will celebrate your achivements!!!!

          • AFRICANER

            Are you Yoruba?

            It’s interesting that of all the vices you listed that are committed by Christians, none of them have to do with killing, or terrorism. You are fanatically obsessed with corruption, but violence and death means absolutely nothing to you.

            I’d like your take on beheading, terrorism, dictatorship, ethnic supremacy, jingoism, coup d’etat, WASC and WAEC certificate forgery, human rights violations, ethnic and religious cleansing, crimes committed by the State, or military, please give us a full detail on these..

            Thanks.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Sir,
            I am from Yola to be sure. Yes a couple of years back the IRA/protestant and Ugandan Lord resistance army were not exactly a charity group or are they?

            These same corruption you don’t want to hear about is a big problem to humanity. When you mix sheer ignorance and the almajiri poverty, what do you think will be the result? Our current problems are derivative from the vice call corruption. Money and resources meant to educate people about life, survival, tolerance, skill accusations are stolen. The universities are mere centers students just pass through to perpetuate in the ultimate objective…stealing government funds!!!!

            “I’d like your take on beheading, terrorism, dictatorship, ethnic supremacy, jingoism, coup d’etat, WASC and WAEC certificate forgery, human rights violations, ethnic and religious cleansing, crimes committed by the State, or military, please give us a full detail on these..”….

            Unless we kill corruption, corruption will kill us….when we kill corruption we will have enough funds, resources and discipline to educate the society then development will come….

          • AFRICANER

            I want you to look into this a little bit more.

            Inequality matters as much as poverty; not all poor countries are corrupt; there are many things that can ‘kill’ Nigeria; Nigeria isn’t necessarily poor because the wealth has all been stolen. All sorts of other more important reasons explain the status quo, like political instability, bad economic policy, colonial history, an over-reliance on tropical commodities and oil, distance from major markets, the productive SE being landlocked, and poor health and education. The chief culprit, at least in my view, is tribalism.

            Take a look at Nigeria’s budget, then reason without bias, therein, you’d find upside down priorities!

            I’d like to refer you, Aminu, to John Kay and the sort of obliquity he talks about in his book of the same name. If you try to target things directly you often fail. If your preoccupation is with corruption, you must not target it directly.

            It is proven by advanced countries that, most countries that successfully reduced poverty didn’t directly try to reduce poverty. They aimed at economic transformation.

            Often a fall in poverty is an indirect result of an increase in productive capacity, investment rates, & capital accumulation, especially when aimed high at enterprise development and technological improvement, as well as structural change toward developing the non-traditional sectors, including linkages to agriculture and the wider economy. Many Nigerian academics, to their credit, have pointed to these facts. However, we don’t field candidates that can deliver such change.

            I ask you to refrain from the sort of engagements I’ve seen you partake in on these forums, and find a way to join the movement to democratize Nigeria, and make Africa the giant that it should be. Myself, I am more of a Pan-Africanist, so the little tribal divisions we have in Nigeria must be stemmed. I fight for everybody. When Igbos are marginalized, I am Igbo. When Yorubas are marginalized, I am Yoruba; when Christians are persecuted, I am Christian. But at all times, I am African.

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            For once you are starting to make sense to me. All these problems and solutions you mentioned can gradually be tackled. Education is very important, but then again our corrupt system is denying students getting the best out of schools. They learn nothing and start life with a distorted idea of everything.

            Together we can fight the injustice you are talking about. Remember my submission on Kanu last week. If he stood for justice to all Nigerians surely he would have become our modern day hero…..tell me one person who is not a victim of this corrupt and terrible system!!! You can kill thousands of BH’s but without providing education and hope these people will still be recruited back!!!

            Kind regards

          • AFRICANER

            Very well, thank you.

            I looked up Yola, it’s pretty equidistant to the North and the South, and quite easterly…

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            Yes it is but I now live in Abuja for the past two years… Tough working on your own but rewarding.
            Regards

          • AFRICANER

            Hang in there!

          • Aminu Hammanyero

            I will Ol ‘ boy!!

          • AFRICANER

            Na me you dry address as your ol’ boy?

    • Bayo Ola

      Brilliant. The conventional financial institutions are likely behind this empty noise. If the Christians have problems with banks that provide loans without crazy interest rates like conventional banking, they can start their own christian banking and offer similar interest rates. Silly people!

      • AFRICANER

        You are setting up a straw man, and fallacy of false choices.

        There’s a 3rd position, which is secular banking, neither Christian nor Islamic.
        That’s what we have, and what we want.

        Your islamic banking is tantamount to saying you want to setup IWASC (Islamic West African School Certificate), where students don’t have to go to school or take exams, but obtain their certificates for free, to compete with WAEC.

        We don’t want such competition, or such religious oxymoron.

        • Aminu Hammanyero

          Oh common it’s ridiculous, if a muslim wants a sharia banking let him have it. You christian have right not to go there….You set up a christian university , me a muslim shout you down? I may as well build my own university.

          Sharia banking/mortgage/Bond is a business that is run in the Secular west (as well as christian). Why are we so petty. By the way that interest based banking is against some people belief….but did they deny you having that privilege? The answer is NO, so why deny them.

          Live and let’s live!

          • ado

            Don’t mind them. They shouted about OIC and OIC stand without any one of them islamized. They shouted about Islamic banking and Islamic banking stand without any one of them Islamized. They shouted about Hijab and Hijab stand without any one of they Islamized. If they shout about Sukuk you should not worry your self. They will shout to the heaven because they are professional noise makers, but at the end Sukuk will stand and you will not see any body that is Islamized. It the fundamental right of those Nigerians that do not believe in interest to be provided with alternative which Government has done and we are grateful to Government and President Good luck Jonathan who started the process.

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            But the government should not be involved in running it or having massive debt to it. That is where the problem is.

    • Chukwuka Okoroafor

      In this case, it will mean bringing an Islamic legal code on a nationwide basis. You don’t have to become a Muslim to be subjected to an Islamic way of living. Look at Sudan for instance. Saudi Arabia is an even better example. You are considered a Muslim under the law there regardless if you are or not.

  • Godwin Oluchi Obialor

    Hello Mr. Falana (SAN), I am 100% in support of your comments to Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) to “Christianize” Nigeria.
    To me it is a wake up call to CAN and PFN to stop lamenting against Muslim community in Nigeria on the issue of Islamizing Nigeria. CAN and PFN have what it takes in the World to Christianize Nigeria. If Muslims are serious and pragmatic in their strategies to Islamize the country, could Christians tell the World why their Christian Community cannot do the same or implement the same plan?

    From Dr. Godwin Obialor – Madrid Spain

  • Chukwuka Okoroafor

    I’m sorry Falana, this is not what this is about. Nigeria is a secular state where people will be guaranteed freedom of religious practice and belief. Doing something to Christianize Nigeria would violate that principle in much the same way that the Islamic agenda would. A theocracy by its very natural becomes oppressive and corrupt. This is highly flawed reasoning from you.

    • Aminu Hammanyero

      Flawed reason ol’boy wake up. Sundays, easters, Christmas, Sallah, Maulid etc

    • 45Degree

      Please, sir. Could you name a SINGLE country any where in the world that has been Islamatized OR Christianized in your life time?

      • Aminu Hammanyero

        Good one!!!

      • Chukwuka Okoroafor

        Turkey is a widely circulated example.

        • Aminu Hammanyero

          All Christianized… USA, Mexico and most of South America….my 2 cents.
          They are not complaining, it’s history. The question is can it happen now, nein!!

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            Well Turkey was not the best example because it is still secular. U.S., Mexico, and much of South America are secular also. I should have used the examples of Iran and Sudan.

        • 45Degree

          Turkey is a Secular State: 82% Islam; 10% Agnosticism and Atheism; 2% Christianity & Judaism

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            Well Sudan and Iran are better examples. Turkey was turned to a mostly Muslim country from a Christian country but yes it is secular. Sudan and Iran were once secular before 1983 and 1979 respectively.

          • 45Degree

            Sudan: 97% Islam; 1.5% African Tradition; 1.5% Christianity
            Iran: 99.3% Muslim; 0.16 Christianity

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            But they did not have Sharia until 1983 for Sudan and 1979 for Iran. Nigeria’s demographics will change as a population boom is expected. Guess which part of Nigeria will grow the fastest.

          • 45Degree

            Population “boom” is expected in Nigeria? Great analyst. But neither country “Islamatize” anyone that we know of.

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            They encourage it and Christians are subject to Sharia, even if they are not Muslims. Iran is an Islamic republic after all.

          • 45Degree

            Voluntarily converting to Islam is one thing, being “Islamatized” is another. If anyone should complain at all, it is the Muslim. Christianity has spread to the utmost parts of the north. Muslims are more “trustworthy” than Christians – IMHO.

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            And the Muslims elites are complaining and they desire to reverse this. Also, trustworthiness depends on the person and not their faith. Some Christians are more trustworthy than some Muslims and vice versa.

          • yusuf

            U R right on this point

          • 45Degree

            Wikipedia. Over 231 references. When are you going to set up your Christian Interest-Free Loan systems for us?

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            If it is a private affair, that is one thing. If it is a government affair, that is a problem. Doing it with a Christian system with government involved is only a Trojan Horse.

          • 45Degree

            This Sukuk is Private. I wish I had an Interest Free loan. It is un-heard of and would be crazy NOT to take it. By the way, do you know many Nigeria “christians” go shopping and vacationing in United Arab Emirates; take Emirate planes. WHY??? Why “being in unequally yoke with unbelievers”?

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            But the Federal Government has joined in with its establishment in Nigeria and wants to mortgage the nation’s assets under Sukuk.

          • Mikail Umar

            Government can borrow or raised funds from both private or public and that’s what Falana is saying, it is legal. CAN can also do the same if it is available in the Christianity.

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            But this is now mixing religion with state and with a country with two major religions, that is a recipe for trouble. It has been for so long already with the religious riots that have happened over the years.

          • 90 degrees

            And who did the census that told you christians are 58% in Nigerians population?

          • 45Degree

            But how does this correlate with Nigeria situation:
            58% Christians; 41% Islam and 1% Traditional

          • Mikail Umar

            You are a Nigerian and you don’t know the percentage of the various religions in the country, please check the records correctly.

          • 45Degree

            The information I gave is from Wikipedia based on Information supplied from Nigeria government records. Let us have your figures and independent sources.

        • tundemash

          And yet your CAN christian leaders troop to Dubai, an Islamic country, to unwind. You d@ftness is factory-fitted!

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            Dubai has to relax Sharia to attract foreigners because they do depend on foreigners for their prosperity. You do not have CAN going to Saudi Arabia do you? When that day comes, you can talk. Please stop trying to fight for the Islamic agenda with name calling. It is not going to work.

    • Babso

      How will the introduction of SUKUK hinder you from practicing your religion? You don’t get involve in it if you feel it does not fit into your religious belief just like many others will not buy shares on what they consider not right in their belief. The need to tolerate one another cannot be over-emphasized.

      • Chukwuka Okoroafor

        It is not Sukuk alone that will Islamize Nigeria nor is Sukuk itself the problem. Government involvement to raise revenue from it is a step toward nationwide Sharia. If it were a private sector operation, it would be a different story.

        • opibra

          How does this submission of yours made sense to you pls?

        • Babso

          I don’t get it at all. How will an alternative means of government funding projects be consider a step towards nationwide sharia? Are you not aware that many Nigerians of different religion participated in the SUKUK bond? Please calm down and get more understanding on it.

          • Chukwuka Okoroafor

            And people said the same thing in 1978 that if only we allow the Northern states to have Sharia courts for civil cases, there would be no problems. That lasted for a time until 1999 when criminal Sharia was then introduced. Last year, a bill proposed allowing the Federal Sharia Court to hear criminal cases. That would have amounted to federalizing criminal Sharia. These things happen slowly in increments precisely so we do not see what is going on. You can trust that this is another incremental step.

    • opibra

      Since you claimed Falana a learned lawyer didn’t know what Sukuk bond is all about, can you please educate us on it? No insult please

      • Chukwuka Okoroafor

        He knows what Sukuk is. He misrepresented the concerns of the critics which is that the federal government getting involved in taking Sukuk is setting a new and very dangerous precedent in mixing religion and state. We have seen enough of these mixes and the existing ones (like government funding of Hajj and Pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia and Israel respectively) and these should be stopped. Let us not forget that the Sharia agenda is incremental and Sukuk is just part of the gradual move. If the events of the past (like declaration of Sharia in the Northern states, membership to the OIC, and bills to strengthen the Sharia Court of Appeal) did not occur, then this may not be of a big concern. Besides, what would happen if the Federal Government one day cannot pay back the loan? Wouldn’t these assets be seized by the operators of Sukuk?

  • Abubakar Sani

    Common Guys, CAN has been failing Christians, am nit a Christian but my best friends are Christians and they lament about how CAN keep ridiculing their faith. This is so simple! We have Customery court, shariah court and Magistrate court, we can equally have Customery Bank, islamic Bank and Magistrate Bank if i may. Can Grow up and follow the teaching of Christ and unite us all……

  • Abdu

    Truth must always prevail on falsehood!

  • Man_Enough

    Christians are simply jealous of progress being made by Moslems. if they are not ready to move forward, they should not drag those who are moving. they are only interested in amassing the congregation’s contributions and living in opulence. that’s what i think.