UPDATE: “Mama Taraba” still in race as INEC declares Taraba governorship poll inconclusive

Aisha Al-Hasan

The Independent National Electoral Commission has declared Saturday’s governorship election in Taraba state inconclusive.

INEC Returning Officer for the election, Professor Muhammad Kariey, said there has to be a supplementary election because the total number of votes rejected and cancelled were more than the total votes with which the candidate of the Peoples Democratic Party, Darius Ishaku, led the runner-up, the All Progressives Congress’ Aisha Al-Hasan.

According to the returning officer the difference between the PDP and the APC is 54,881, while the rejected votes from some troubled areas are over 100, 000 votes.

He said a supplementary election must be held within 30 days.

PDP had scored a total of 317,198 votes to APC’s 262,386.

Reports say the elections in Donga, Wukari and Zing local governments were cancelled following alleged irregularities.

The Taraba governorship election is one of the most keenly contested, and perhaps the most watched by Nigerians because one of the leading candidates is a woman.

Nigerians had expected that the election would yield the first female governor in Nigeria’s history.

But as results of the election from the local government areas trickled into the office of the Independent National Electoral Commission in Jalingo, the Taraba State capital, Ms. Al-Hasan, fondly known as Mama Taraba by supporters, at some points overtook her main challenger, Mr. Ishaku.

This triggered nationwide celebration by people who thought Ms. Al-Hasan was on her way to becoming the first female governor.

But after all votes in the election were collated, Ms. Al-Hasan trailed the PDP candidate by over 50,000 votes, but the electoral body declared the election inconclusive.

The Taraba governorship election is the second to be declared inconclusive.

On Sunday, INEC declared a similar election in Imo inconclusive, saying the number of cancelled votes (144,715) in relation to the margin of win (79,529) by the candidate of the All Progressives Congress, Rochas Okorocha, called for a supplementary election.

Mr. Okorocha was initially thought to have won the election after he garnered 385,671 votes compared to the 306,142 votes scored by the candidate of the Peoples Democratic Party, Emeka Ihedioha.

The APC candidate is ahead of Mr. Ihedioha by 79,529 votes, which is by far lower than the 144,715 votes cancelled by INEC as a result of irregularities in some wards.

INEC’s verdict on the Imo election is a repeat of what happened in the April 26, 2011 governorship election in the state.

The commission had at the time declared the poll inconclusive because election did not hold in Ohaji/Egbema, Mbatioli, Ngor-Okpala and Oguta Local Government Areas as well as in Orji Ward in Owerri North Local Government Area.

Before that election was declared inconclusive, results for 24 of the state’s 27 local government areas had been announced, with Mr. Okorocha leading in 12 local government areas with a slim total margin while the then governor, Ikedi Ohakim, also led in 12 local government areas but trailed Mr. Okorocha in the total votes garnered.

A supplementary election was then fixed for May 6, 2011, which Mr. Okorocha, who ran then on the platform of the All Progressives Grand Alliance, went on to win.


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  • Action_Nigeria

    NIGERIA WILL NEVER EVER ACCEPT BUHARI AS PRESIDENT ……….. THOSE WHO ARE PARADING BUHARI AS PRESIDENT ELECT WILL BE DISAPPOINTED IN THE END.

    It is no longer hidden that Muhammadu Buhari provided false information in his completed and tendered INEC forms falsely claiming that he has WASC ………. truth is that Buhari does not have WASC and was not even qualified to join the Nigerian Army Officer Corp.

    For the avoidance of doubt ……. the issue is not whether Buhari has the academic qualifications constitutionally prescribed for Candidates contesting for the Office of President. Notwithstanding, it is instructive to note that going by the documents Buhari tendered to INEC, there is no evidence that he has the academic qualifications constitutionally prescribed for Candidates contesting for the Office of President.

    Furthermore, the issue is not whether Buhari committed perjury or not ……… the issue is that Buhari provided false information in his duly completed and tendered prescribed INEC forms … the perjury issue only serves as concrete proof that Buhari provided false information in his duly completed and tendered prescribed INEC forms contrary to the provisions of the Electoral Act …. the consequences are very, very clear and obvious …….. DISQUALIFICATION ….. PERIOD

    Section 31 subsection 5 & 6 of the Electoral 2010 as amended is very clear and states inter alia:

    S31.5: Any person who has reasonable grounds to believe that any information given by a candidate in the affidavit or any document submitted by that Candidate is false may file a suit at the Federal High Court, High Court of a State of FCT against such a person seeking a declaration that the information contained in the affidavit is false.

    RESTATED FOR CLARITY: S31.5: Any person who has reasonable grounds to believe that any information given by a candidate in ……………… any document submitted by that Candidate is false may file a suit at the Federal High Court, High Court of a State of FCT against such a person seeking a declaration that the information contained in the affidavit is false.

    S31.6: If the Court determines that any of the information contained in the affidavit or any document submitted by that candidate is false, the Court shall issue an Order disqualifying the Candidate from contesting the election.

    RESTATED FOR CLARITY: S31.6: If the Court determines that any of the information contained in ……….. any document
    submitted by that candidate is false, the Court shall issue an Order disqualifying the Candidate from contesting the election.

    It is not in doubt that Mohammed or Muhammadu Buhari submitted a document to INEC that contained false information viz. falsely claiming that he has WASC …… which obviously he does not have.

    What then is the basis of the delusion that Buhari is the President Elect ?

    NB:

    It is instructive to note that Section 31 of the Electoral Act also makes reference to “the prescribed forms” which indeed stipulated that Buhari attach copies of his academic qualifications claims to his completed “prescribed forms”.

    The essence of this provision was to ensure that crooks like Buhari and Tinubu who are veteran certificate
    forgers are not given an escape route .

    But Buhari, being a hardened crook who has been cheating on the certificate issue since 1961 when he joined the Army Officer Corps without WASC proceeded to commit perjury by claiming strangely that all his certificates are with a none
    existent Secretary to the Military Board.

    BUHARI IS A WORLD-CLASS LIAR AND CHEAT WHO WILL NEVER BE SWORN IN AS THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA

    • zacchaeus Akinleye

      Coup-maker tantrums will not cure you of your election paralysis. Get a life, loser!

      • Action_Nigeria

        Truth hurts …….. and it hurts badly.

        • newnigerian1970

          You’re a joker. The days of coups are over. The Jan 15 1966 coup set Nigeria back a century at least and every sane person would tell you on reflection that it should never have happened. If they didn’t commit mass murder and treason, Nigeria would have organised fresh elections in troubled areas by end of 1966, and held new elections when terms expired in 1968/69, sparing us lots of agony. India has never had a coup = progress. Pakistan next door has had several coups = stagnation and fundamentalism. Ewu onuku.

          • Action_Nigeria

            We will never replace a legitimate President with an illegitimate and illegal President …. period.

          • salisurabeh

            Action Nigeria, may I earnestly beg you to change your picture. It is the taunting picture Nzeogu took after killing the Sardauna in 1966. He was standing with one foot on his corpse and raised his hand to copy the Sardauna’s traditional salute. Either you do not know or you are plain mischevious.

          • Action_Nigeria

            We will resist shameful attempts to impose an illegitimate President on the Federal Republic of Nigeria

          • Femi

            I didnt know that. That is inhuman.

          • GOODBYEtoBADLUCK

            Your lazy ass, clueless GEJ has already been replaced. You can go and hang yourself!!

          • SAM .A

            You guys should stop responding to this pscho patent on this medium , he is enjoying it he is getting reply from many people here .
            Let him alone continue to weep here .Lamentation of Deri Obuko.This is mourning & wailing period.

        • Oluwasanmi

          Go to court and stop making noise.

    • tundemash

      Insane man,
      Looks like they stopped paying for your medication.

      Dumbo just set up his transition commitee today to prepare the hand over notes so go and bomb them there.

      • Action_Nigeria

        Jonathan is free to do whatever he likes …… but we will never replace a legitimate President with an illegal and illegitimate President.

        We will surely defend the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and the laws of our land.

    • Wähala

      Deri Orbuka…
      Give up your campaign of calumny, Dumbo has lost like I told you 4yrs ago on SR…
      Amnesty Program ends in a few weeks’ time, get a real job and stop scavenging on crumbs…
      You are always telling ancient stories about Kwame Nkrumah, Zik ati Awolowo. This is New Age politics with PVCs Even if elections are repeated a 100 times, Dr. Dumbo will still lose even to my grandmother. Go home, the game is over. The only crook who got away with fraud for 6yrs is Dumbo without PhD title paper and he committed perjury when he allowed himself to be sworn-in as “Dr Dumbo”. Enuff is Enuff biko, do odeku and get some sleep. Drunkard!

      • Jack

        This lovely post is called Wallahi tallahi in hausa..i still dey laugh oooo! Wahala!

    • PARASITES_in_Power

      Buhari, the unadulterated illiterate and from an educationally disadvantaged state is my president elect? Tufiakwa! God forbid bad thing!

      • Alamu

        Can you imagine? An illiterate defeating a “Ph.D” holder. What will happen if his people become educated? They may enslave you!

    • GOODBYEtoBADLUCK

      Your fake prophesy will end up in flames like all those bought from fake pastors with N7Bn

    • Do ask the Nigerian Army. The Nigerian Army that misplaced President-elect Buhari’s certificate suddenly found it, I guess in Ex-President Jonathan’s exit baggage. Ask the Nigerian Army to present the certificate to you.

  • Kavu

    Mama Taraba must win this election woo. Let the gov move heavy security personnels to man the entire state for a fresh election… The truth must come out…

  • Wasiu

    shame on Premium Times for the previous post claiming that she has lost out.

  • Ayeesha

    Exactly my brother, its really a shame that premium times had already posted her defeat even before INEC made their own declaration, i suggest you confirm information before you post anything. As for PDP, i promise you that this will not go as you have been planning. My dear Tarabians, the level at which the PDP is rigging elections in Taraba should not be tolerated by us, this should also be the moment we begin our revolution to change not continuity with our highly under developed, abandoned state.

  • Patriotique

    I hope she wins

  • fatima

    Taught premium times said no more female governor? Haba, so which are we going to believe now. Lie lie Premium times

    • tundemash

      and u are here everyday to read lie lie PremiumTimes? Isn’t that stup1dity ?Why not stick to true true AIT ?

    • Jack

      Thought and not “taught”

  • ElectionWatch

    PDP scored 317,198 votes

    APC scored 262,386 votes

    Difference = 63,817 votes

    Rejected votes = 100,000+

    For APC to win 65% of rejected voters must recast their ballots for APC.

    Possibility: Mission impossible.

    Projection: PDP will win Taraba state after supplementary election.

    • Wähala

      Impossible is Nothing…
      Guess who said that? And, what was the outcome of, “Rumble in the Jungle” ??

    • tundemash

      If SE/SS could come up with 95% votes for PDP, what is wrong with Taraba coming up with 65% for Mama Taraba ?

      • Jack

        Gbam!

    • pheliciti

      She actually needs almost 80%, assuming the other candidates gets the remaining votes. It’s doable! Stay tuned and watch history being made….

  • Wähala

    TY Danjuma is the evil thug holding Taraba State to ransom. If proper elections are held there Mama Taraba would blow away Danjuma’s puppet in a landslide. Remove the Danjuma factor and let only voters with PVCs cast votes so Nigeria can witness the first deserving female Governor, biko. Danjuma even had brains dead Danbaba Suntai rolled in a wheelchair to vote just to beef up the numbers against this popular lady, imagine! Whenever conclusive elections are held in Taraba, I hope Mrs. Al-Hasan tops the charts… likewise, Gov. Rochas Okorocha!

  • By Popular Demand

    A strange man called Goodluck Jonathan

    I am afraid that with PDP now losing in all states of the federation
    the name – Goodluck Jonathan – may become pariah name.
    In Nigerian history no person ever misled lead his ruling political
    party into a rout close to near extinction by bad personal example.

    Losing an election is not the real harm Jonathan did but setting PDP
    on a losing streak all across the board and across the federation.
    In politics, that is the worst offence anyone can commit in history.
    Today, Mr Jonathan is the sole author and finisher of his own destiny.
    History may not remember him for good; or, for any good at all for it.

    • robbie

      @By popular demand:

      Well, harsh and blunt as it sounds, you are quite right. Goodluck Jonathan undid himself.
      He has less than two months to turn the page and still get a respectable name for himself.
      Insuperable hurdle? Yes; or, so it seems but for a silver lining, should General Buhari fail.
      On 22nd April the Federal High Court shall start hearing Buhari’s Wasc certificate case.
      It looks straightforward: Buhari shall be disqualified, and, his 5 million votes nullified if
      Buhari fails to show his claimed Wasc to the court as required by the 1999 Constitution.

      • A person shall not be qualified for election to
      the office of President if he has presented a
      forged certificate to the Independent
      National Electoral Commission.

      …….§137 (1) 1999 Constitution of Nigeria

      • No Comment

        ..

        • SAM .A

          Robbie & Popular demand collective LAMENTATION, you will both need to hire professional mourners from the Creek,you can even send some e rats &creek monkeys to Isreal to train in mourning , your weeping has just started.
          You will cry for the next 4 years.
          we are all moving forward in a new Nigeri whille both of you keep wailing & gnashing your teeth.

          • You cut the period of their mourning by half. President Buhari will be re-elected in 2019. They will mourn for at least 8 years if not more.

        • Ask the Nigerian Army. The Nigerian Army that misplaced President-elect Buhari’s certificate suddenly found it, I guess in Ex-President Jonathan’s exit baggage. Ask the Nigerian Army to present the certificate to you.

      • The Nigerian Army that misplaced President-elect Buhari’s certificate suddenly found it, I guess in Ex-President Jonathan’s exit baggage. Ask the Nigerian Army to present the certificate to you.

  • PARASITES_in_Power

    .Buhari, the unadulterated illiterate and from an educationally disadvantaged state is my president elect? Tufiakwa! God forbid bad thing!

    • GOODBYEtoBADLUCK

      God already endorsed Buhari.The only option available for you is to and hug a transformer or hang yourself

      • Murtala

        I hope u don’t mean PDP transformers? No light on them people use them hang clothes

    • Okolie

      Go and hug the transformer!

    • Popular

      Mr Pig, if yu can’t cope Cameroon isn’t far.

    • Abdul

      How do you survive this pain now? your soul is seriously troubled and honestly you have 4 long years to go through this pain. sorry.

      • Murtala

        Not 4 years but 8 miserable years to wait. And then another watching yoruba as president.

    • P

      On point!

    • sammy

      wait till 2019….

  • …………………..

    +++++++++TRIBUTE TO ORONTO DOUGLAS+++++++++++++

    My comrade goes to the land of the saints… But his spirit, brilliance, doggedness, drive and infectious enthusiasm remain with us…In our struggle for self determination, these are of veritable importance. Rest in peace!!!…

    Dear ORONTO,
    Let the saints know that our rivers are still soaked with pollution by the environmental terrorist oil companies and their continent Nigerian collaborators.

    Let the Saints know that our lands and deep water resources are still being exploited by Nigeria while they give us a paltry and highly provocative 13%.

    Let Adaka I.J. Boro and other Saints know that it is worse now than then. But that we are not fainting nor do we despair bcos we’ve gone too far to stop now.

    Let Ken S. Wiwa know that he who was part of the Government that hanged him and 8 others is coming back to grab power with the help of Islamic terrorists and the Yorubas who succumbed to threats of blood should he lose for a fourth time in a row….

    Only in Nigeria does one become better after rejection in four successive elections!

    But the struggle continues. We are sure of victory bcos we know that the triumph of evil over good can only be momentary… as we hold on to the instruction given by Comrade Saro Wiwa, that: “Silence in the face of injustice is treason. “ …We will not be silent. Not even when viruses and worms are sent to our systems bcos we speak out!

    Oronto, my Oronto, Rest in peace!!!
    God bless the Niger Delta Nation

    • pheliciti

      I join you in praying that those left behind by Oronto be granted fortitude to bear the loss. However, it’s a shame that you admit there is still environmental degradation in the Niger Delta. This is despite at least 5 years of a ‘son of the soil’ in the saddle. Ask yourself how long it took for BP to commence clean up in the US oil spill. Was 6 years not enough for Jonathan to compel Shell to obey a judgment asking it to clean up spills in the Niger Delta? The fault, dear Brutus is not in our stars’. Search yourself. Don’t heap the blame on any Fulani man. Did you guys treat yourselves better when in power? Ask, what has the 13% to Bayelsa fetched so far, before asking for more?

      • _Proudly Niger Deltan

        I sympathize with you not for your miserable self indicting comment but for your mumuism and sheer ignorance. It is golden to remain silent when one has little knowledge, or in this case, no knowledge of the issues being discussed. To refer to clean up of Niger Delta and Shell BP’s ubiquitous culpability in the context of Dr Jonathan’s tenure as president smacks of crass ignorance and mumuist rationalization.

        …the book “Niger Delta, Where the Vultures Feast” which I refer to in my post was written in 2003. Dr Jonathan became president in 8yrs after in 2011….and it is on record that the worst of oil spills anywhere on mother earth took place in the yrs before 2009. So you don’t know the Vultures that governed Nigeria in those years? …Get a copy of that classic expose and educate yourself!

        WARNING!
        When you see my posts, just IGNORE as many do. If you must reply, make sure you understand the post and the topic and arm yourself with facts…not this your juvenile and highly watery and spastic comment. Nonsense!

        • meidris

          Why are you annoid? If the oil spill happened in 2009 and nothing was done up to the time Jonathan comes to power in 2011, why wont do something as son of soil? Even when ministry Niger delta was put in place, nothing was done still. Search yourselves.

        • pheliciti

          Let me understand you correctly, you want me to use my money to buy the collection of quotations & half-truth revisions that you call a book? A book based on manuscript that was rejected by all notable publishers? You are indeed funny and delusional. Are you sure you didn’t peddle this book yourself in traffic? That would indeed be better than trolling excerpts of the book all over the internet like confetti.
          If you aspire to scholarship, work towards your aspiration by thinking like one! My question is, yes there was degradation in the Niger Delta; but what has Jonathan done to alleviate the plight of his people in the last 6 years? Educate us on that if you can. Yorubas have a proverb that when you give a madman a hoe, he would at least till the farm towards himself, and that, a madman o!

        • Alamu

          I am shocked that you do not know that “Shell BP” no longer exists.

  • _Proudly Niger Deltan

    The NIGER DELTA – Where Vultures Feast: (By Dr Ike Okonta & Oronto D
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    On February 22, 1895, a naval force laid siege to Brass, the chief city of the Ijo people of Nembe in Nigeria’s Niger Delta. After severe fighting, the city was razed. More than two thousand people perished in the attack.

    A hundred years later, the world was shocked by the murder of Ken Saro-Wiwa—writer, political activist, and leader of the Movement for the Survival of the Ogoni People. Again the people of Nembe were locked in a grim life-and-death struggle to safeguard their livelihood from two forces: a series of corrupt and repressive Nigerian governments and the giant multinational Royal Dutch Shell.

    Ike Okonta and Oronto Douglas present a devastating case against the world’s largest oil company, demonstrating how (in contrast to Shell’s public profile) irresponsible practices have degraded agricultural land and left a people destitute. The plunder of the Niger Delta has turned full circle as crude oil has taken the place of palm oil, but the dramatis personae remain the same: a powerful multinational company bent on extracting the last drop of blood from the richly endowed Niger Delta, and a courageous people determined to resist

    —–The resolve for self determination and control of resources is immortal, irreversible and imminent.

    God bless the Niger Delta

  • MONSIEUR COLONEL (RTD)

    Reject the votes you cannot use and then declare a winner based on acceptable votes.
    This smells like some engineering to me.
    This intrusion must be outright rejected.

  • Question n’ Answer

    THREE (3) QUESTIONS FOR PRESIDENT JONATHAN

    • Knowing there would be election this year (2015) what steps did you take
    as PDP party leader three years ago (2012) to strengthen and to keep
    strengthening the PDP in the weak states of Yorubaland – like Lagos,
    Oyo, Oshun and Ogun?

    • Knowing there would be election this year (2015)
    what steps did you take two years ago (2013) to strenghten and to
    keep strengthening the PDP in the vulnerable and rebellious states of
    northern Nigeria, like Kano, Adamawa, Jigawa, Niger, Kaduna, Plateau,
    Benue, Nasarawa and Kebbi states?

    • Knowing there would be
    election this year (2015) what steps did you take two years ago (2013)
    to weaken and to keep weakening the rival APC in those vulnerable and
    rebellious states of northern Nigeria as well as in those weak states of Yorubaland?

    If you did nothing sensible on all of the above, personally, other than
    delegating responsibility to other people to do what a party leader
    should personally do by himself, what result do you expect in this 2015
    election other than what INEC announced?

    • Investigator

      I WONDER IF PRESIDENT JONATHAN EVEN REMEMBERED
      TO ASK THE FOLLOWING; BEFORE PREPARING HANDOVER
      NOTES FOR DELIVERY TO GENERAL MUHAMMADU BUHARI

      • Investigator

        WHEREAS PRESIDENT JONATHAN SWORE ON OATH TO UPHOLD THE
        LAWS AND THE CONSTITUTION OF NIGERIA, INCLUDING THIS LAW:

        • A person shall not be qualified for election to

        the office of President if he has presented a

        forged certificate to the Independent

        National Electoral Commission.

        …….§137 (1) 1999 Constitution of Nigeria

        • Friedey

          I believe President Jonathan is now sober enough to do some introspection.
          If given a second bite at the apple he’d be more hands-on than a delegating
          president he’s been criticized as. He’d be more particular about having folks with
          good reputation in his inner caucus. He got all those things wrong in his 1st term.

          • He will have a second chance in Balyesa nation.

        • Tunji Olarewaju

          Talking to yourself?Beginning of madness. Someone please,leash this mad dog!!!

          • bello

            @tunji:

            He is talking to us and he is convincing us on all points.
            You APC illiterates cannot understand or accept the truth.
            What he is saying is that Buhari’s 15 million votes are null
            and void; and that Buhari stands disqualified under the law.
            Do you understand it better now?

          • Raymond

            The northern Muslims’ mind-set is morally dark. It dismisses morality in
            pursuit of imaginary Hausa/Fulani/Kanuri interest – which is simply the
            retention of access to federal treasury by monopolising the presidency
            of Nigeria to the perpetual exclusion of all other ethnic groups.

            The few educated northern Nigerian elites are actually the worst species
            of dishonest people i have ever seen. They call black white for the sake of
            money. They pursue falsehood as a religion as if dis-honesty is northern.

            ……..CHIBUZOR

            (September 18, 2014)

          • tony

            lol, story for the dogs!

          • dareolu1

            mmy brother, this is all lunacy, I tire for some people o

          • Tunji Olarewaju

            Talking to you and you understand him?!So, his madness is infectious?Somebody hold Bello, please,he’ll enter the market o!!!

          • sammy

            who let the dog out…who..who..who….please tell him to visit celestial church, maybe he will receive some healing there…lol…LWKM

        • sammy

          the election has already been won…wait till 2019….wake up from your sleep..

      • humm

        Ignorance can be educated, crazy can be medicated, but stupidity cant be erradicated. I will pray for you. LOL

      • sammy

        the election is over…wait till 2019….or go to court…

      • sammy

        mad dog….

  • Assibi

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  • MushinSpeaks

    No General must be allowed to subvert the wish of the people. Votes must count.

  • ben

    We should not blame Gen Buhari but the yorubas who conspired to ride on the back of Buhari to hijack the central govt of Nigeria which their tin-god late Chief Awolowo couldn’t achieve throughout his political carrier in Nigeria.

    • sammy

      mad dog..you are out again…

    • Fola Sam

      Am sure u aren’t Ok. When the Yorubas voted massively for Jonathan in 2011 and supported him when the Yar adua inner circle didn’t want him to become president, where were u. Pls use your brain before commenting. Jonathan failed and they voted him out now u are shouting about Yorubas hijacking central govt.Rubbish.

    • Alamu

      Why do you want to blame them?

      • GEO

        He said it, the Yoruba.

        • alamu

          Hunh? Why are you blaming the Yorubas?

          • GEO

            I did not. Ben did.