Video Evidence Counters Jerry Rawlings’ Denial of PREMIUM TIMES Story

Jerry Rawlings

A former President of Ghana, Jerry Rawlings, is being economical with the truth in his claim that he made no reference to Nigeria corruption and the Nigerian government in a speech he delivered at a conference in Abuja on June 17,  PREMIUM TIMES can authoritatively report today.

A video recording of the event, where the former leader delivered the speech, has punctured his claim, with footages showing Mr. Rawlings not only repeatedly referring to Nigeria, but at a point mocking its government for hounding corruption fighters, characterizing authorities with the now famous pidgin adaptation for bosses: “Oga at the top.”

Addressing a largely Nigerian audience at a conference on “Emerging Democracies in Africa: Challenges and Opportunities”, Mr. Rawlings accused African countries, of which Nigeria is one, of paying lip service to the fight against corruption, punishing petty thieves and sparing politicians who misappropriate millions of state funds.

He said, “We cannot continue to pay lip service to the strengthening, empowerment and independent management of our multiple anti-corruption institutions. We live in countries where poor, petty thieves get imprisoned for several years while businessmen who evade taxes in millions of dollars or a politician who misappropriates millions of state funds escape punishment.”

But Mr. Rawlings did not stop there.  As shown in the video below, he went on to narrate  how a former attorney general in his country was widely castigated for fighting official graft, but later celebrated as a hero. As he rounded off his account, Mr. Rawlings asked his audience, which included the President of the Senate, David Mark, if Nigeria had such a hero.

“Yes indeed, you do,” Mr. Rawlings answered. Then, speaking briefly off a prepared text, he added: “You do. Some of them (Nigerian anti-corruption heroes) are even persecuted by the ogas (bosses) at the top.”

He later offered some clarification that he did not “know about this one (in apparent reference to whether President Goodluck Jonathan was also hounding anti-corruption fighters). But I know about some in the past.”

He added that Nigerians should firmly support their anti-corruption crusaders to break the cycle of graft that has gripped the land. “I’m saying you do (have lonely heroes). And they need to fly with boldness. They need your support if you have to change that cycle. People must learn to profit from right, from virtue and not from vice.”

But in his reaction to PREMIUM TIMES’ report of the event, Mr. Rawlings vigorously denied alluding directly or otherwise to Nigeria, and did not say he made additional comments not captured by his prepared speech.

A statement by the former leader’s office (which was never sent to this paper by the way) suggested that everything Mr. Rawlings said at the conference was captured by the speech he read.

But the recording shows one of the ex-leader’s most vital points, not captured by his prepared text but which this newspaper considered one of the high points of his presentation. It eventually formed the basis for the paper’s reporting of the event.

Rather than own up to a remark he made in the open, Mr. Rawlings castigated our reporting, calling it “libelous and malicious” and warning of a possible lawsuit.

The crux of this paper’s reporting of that event was that Mr. Rawlings passed a strong, commendable message to Nigeria (where corruption is currently at an all-time high) and other African countries, given that Nigeria is in Africa, has multiple anti-corruption institutions, and is behaving in the manner the Ghanaian leader highlighted.

PREMIUM TIMES’ report had captured the remarks in the context of how it relates to Nigeria — a basic tenet of interpretative reporting.

The former Ghanaian leader also spoke at a time Nigerians were still debating the recent controversial presidential pardon granted ex-convict Diepreye Alamieyeseigha, a former governor of Bayelsa state, who was sentenced to two years imprisonment for stealing billions of naira belonging to his state. Mr. Alamieyeseigha is also a fugitive from Britain where he jumped bail and fled to Nigeria while on trial for money laundering.

But shortly after our report, the former Ghanaian president and the Nigerian presidency mounted a serious campaign of calumny against this paper, claiming Mr. Rawlings never commented on Nigeria corruption during his presentation.

While Mr. Rawlings’ office widely circulated a rebuttal to the Ghanaian media, President Goodluck Jonathan’s aides — Reuben Abati and Reno Omokri — handled the Nigerian end of the campaign, instigating Nigerian social media users, websites, blogs and newspapers to disparage PREMIUM TIMES.

Mr. Rawling’s rebuttal was never sent to this newspaper and none of the media outlets to which it was sent bothered to contact us for comments, a practice that again underlines the sorry state of journalism in our country where officials routinely hire fellow journalists  to disparage groundbreaking but uncomfortable reporting by their colleagues.

There is even no evidence that the media outlets who got Mr. Rawlings’ rebuttal took time to read through the former Ghanaian president’s presentation with a view to determining whether he was misrepresented or not.

The Nigerian presidency, which treated the attack on PREMIUM TIMES as a major project in the last one week, has never been comfortable with this newspaper’s factual and uncompromising reporting on national issues.

The regime remained angry that, among several other exposé, this newspaper exposed the discreet presidential pardon Mr. Jonathan granted Mr. Alamieyeseigha and the secret $40million security contract awarded to an Israeli company, Elbit, to spy on Internet communication by Nigerians.

Commenting on the matter Monday, PREMIUM TIMES Acting Managing Editor, Idris Akinbajo said, “It’s a shame that Mr. Rawlings and the Nigerian presidency would peddle a claim that Nigeria wasn’t among the countries  Mr. Rawlings referred to.

“Forget the fact that Mr. Rawlings even specifically addressed his speech to Nigeria and Nigerians, is Nigeria not part of the Africa he is claiming to have addressed? He should tell us the specific countries he had in mind in his speech  and his justification for trying to exempt Nigeria from his definition of Africa.”

Mr. Akinbajo continued, “We respect Mr. Rawlings’ preference for diplomatic niceties towards the Nigerian government, but we also insist that Nigeria is part of a whole (Africa) he commented about in Abuja. And that he indeed spoke about Nigeria in his presentation. There is no doubt about that.

“Now that the former Ghanaian leader and choristers of the Nigerian administration like Reuben Abati and Reno Omokri are sweating profusely to confuse people that “Africa” does not mean “Nigeria and other countries” we ask them to also expand their imagination to understand the framework of interpretative reporting.

“Let it be known that politicians may be forgiven if they do not appreciate the protocols of interpretative reporting but those who make claims to professionalism at the corridors of power today, especially Abati and Omokri, should look themselves in the mirror again.”

Read Mr. Rawlings’  full speech below this video. Watch video on mobile via this link


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Address By H.E. Flt. Lt. Jerry John Rawlings, Former President Of Ghana At A Conference On Emerging Democracies In Africa: Challenges And Opportunities

– Transcorp Hilton, Abuja-Nigeria – June 17, 2013

Distinguished Guests, Ladies and Gentlemen:

It is an honour to be part of today’s conference on Emerging Democracies in Africa. I commend the Nigeria National Institute for Legislative Studies and the Association of European Parliamentarians with Africa, for creating such a forum for dispassionate discussion on challenges and opportunities facing Emerging Democracies.

The definition of democracy is complex even though we seem to be comfortable with Abraham Lincoln’s description of democracy as a government of the people, by the people and for the people.

That definition goes a long way to justify the election of political leaders where every citizen is expected to have an equal right in the selection of political leaders and the legislature, who then become the voice of the people for a defined period.

Simply put the right of the people to have a voice in the management of their countries and societies is vested in a few selected individuals who are expected to protect the interests of the people.

We can juggle various definitions of democracy, but true democracy is the process where every individual is involved and convinced that his opinion has been factored into the decision-making as far as the management of his society is concerned. A government, irrespective of its mode of appointment, which gives ear to the people and approaches decision-making and policy implementation from a human-centred and continued consultative process is closer to democracy than a duly elected government that fails to consult and also treats the opinion of the legislature – the elected representatives of the people – as of little value.

Soon after Ghana underwent political transition in the 1990s many were those who were quick to state that Ghana had embraced democracy. I strongly disagreed and explained that Ghana had throughout the period of the revolution been practising democracy, because the grassroots participation in local and national affairs was heightened throughout the period. The transition in 1992 was rather a transition to constitutional rule. And let me add that constitutional rule is not necessarily synonymous with democracy. That is why we have a number of leaders across the world who are practising constitutional dictatorships. I must emphasise that this is not unique to Africa.

Emerging democracies are defined as countries with governments that have emanated out of a perceived legitimate democratic electoral process but are still saddled with complexities of dominant political parties and poorly applied rule of law.

Many scholars on the subject have listed a few countries in our region as emerging democracies, but I find it difficult not to refer to most of our continent as emerging democracies. Even more complicated is the fact that many of our countries progress from that nascent stage into well-managed democracies only for them to slip back into a democratically embryonic state partly because some of the managers of our political systems are adept at ensuring that the institutions of state do not perform efficiently leading to their disempowerment and a weakening of the rule of law.

Ladies and Gentlemen, no true democratic arrangement can be successful if the institutions that are meant to serve as checks and balances are not properly structured and equipped to operate at optimum.

These institutions include independent judiciary, security services, the electoral machinery, a well-oiled and independent media as well as a vibrant and non-partisan civil society.

The major factor required to get these institutions operational is to have a well-framed constitution that is not lacking in definition and that protects adequately the independence of these institutions. It is important also that the same constitution protects these institutions from abuse as they are managed by humans – fallible as we are.

Emerging democracies are grappling with problems of incoherent constitutions and weak institutions, allowing some political leaders the leeway to abuse the system through clever and sometimes blatant actions such as the appointment of unprincipled and very partisan personalities to head such institutions. The judiciary and security services are also not free of excessive control. Abuse of the media either through intimidation or inducement is also part of the challenges such countries face.

We are also saddled with civil society who instead of exposing ills in government and society and offering concrete options on the way forward rather metamorphose into partisan political entities attacking or overprotecting government as if their survival depended on it.

Mr Chairman, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen; the average African is in dire need of a working democracy that truly protects not only himself but also guarantees a progressive and development-oriented political system that defends freedom, guarantees justice and ensures that society also remains disciplined and focused on what is good and right.

The primary challenge for emerging democracies in Africa, is the failure of Western democracy to acknowledge its inherent flaws and encourage a system of democracy on our continent that is dynamic, home grown and imbued with the socio-cultural backgrounds of individual African states.

Our societies are borne out of a strong traditional political framework of monarchies that wielded both spiritual and political power as well as judicial authority. Many of these societies still look up to traditional authority for moral fortitude while our ‘imported’ democratic and secular leadership is seen unfortunately as synonymous to immorality and corruption. With such perceptions how do we expect our emerging democracies to evolve?

The biggest misconception in embracing democracy is the argument that it comes with economic progress. The Western sponsors of democracy and their allied institutions such as the IMF and the World Bank who offer democratic prescriptions with the promise of financial support for socio-economic development usually present such arguments.

Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to quote Merillee Grindle, a Professor of International Development at the Harvard University, who states that: “Democracy is perceived as not having delivered what was promised. Scholars, NGOs, democracy movements, politicians, and others really have oversold what can be expected from democracy and have raised expectations about what a form of government actually can achieve. Certainly, a democratic regime can deliver, in time, on promises for personal freedom and liberty, for participation in the decisions of government, and on equality of rights. But democracy has also been sold as a way to engender economic growth, as a way to achieve economic and social equality…democracy is not a panacea for economic development.”

Democracy should however be made to provide the political stability for development. A practicing democracy that cannot create the climate to correct economic ills and corruption cannot and will not be a democracy. A democracy that cannot protect the sanctity of its electoral process is engaging in a fraudulent electoral coup d’état. Equally destructive is the unfortunate practice of using money to buy the conscience of the electorate.

There is no doubt that when democratic structures are instituted in a manner that recognizes the socio-cultural and socio-political context of individual countries, it will have a better chance of survival and success. Management of countries and societies is still dependent on a system of governance, which requires that every citizen has a role to play in the decision-making process and how leaders are elected. The citizens of every society must have an input in the format their political structures take and it is never too late to modify our constitutions to embrace what we overlooked.

Developments in Kenya and Côte d’Ivoire over the past two decades and recent developments in Libya, Tunisia and Egypt call for a thorough revision of political processes and structures in these countries. Some of these countries were also seen as relatively advanced democracies and economies but today a few of them cannot even boast of being emergent democracies having retrogressed within weeks of uprisings or violent electoral dispute.

Kenya has learnt many lessons from the electoral violence of 2007, which had huge ethnic connotations. The constitution has been reviewed and political tolerance was tested through a unity government. The judiciary is more empowered and today the country’s leadership boasts of two former adversaries working together.

Appointment of Supreme Court justices is not the entire prerogative of the President of the land and has to go through a selection and consultative process that ensures that the President — even though he has the final assent — cannot manipulate the appointment.

Nigeria has made strides over the past decade politically but still faces complicated challenges, which many of you will bear with me has socio-cultural implications that have been ignored for a significant period.

That is why institutions such as the National Institute for Legislative Studies should be welcomed as one of the structures that will enhance and strengthen your emerging democracy.

Democratic institutions across the continent are poorly equipped to offer the best support to governments. As a capacity building institution dedicated to provide professional research, advice, training and advocacy for members of the legislature, your organization is in a unique position to be a pacesetter in empowering our senators and parliamentarians to better serve the interests of their constituents.

It is embarrassing sometimes to observe our various legislative assemblies struggle to competently debate issues of serious national concern because members are handicapped information-wise.

Emerging democracies present attractive opportunities for investment and development and we cannot allow the progress that has been achieved over the past few decades to retrogress because of the challenges we have encountered and continue to encounter.

Relative political stability means we have an opportunity to turn our economies around and not only through the exploitation of traditional export commodities but also through investment and improvement in the service related sectors.

Africa’s share of investment within Africa rose from 3.2 per cent in 2007 to 5.6 in 2012 according an Ernst and Young report.

The trend of investment and growth is not related to just a few countries but spread across the continent and this means the potential is huge if we adopt more aggressive efforts at strengthening our monitoring institutions especially those entrusted with the power to stem corruption – a major factor that restricts foreign direct investment.

An African think-tank recently reported that illicit financial outflows cost the continent between $38.4 billion and $25 billion between 2008 and 2010 respectively. Our countries do not fare any better in the annual corruption index of Transparency International. While there may be a lot of factors that enhance corruption including the connivance of major global international players —whose jurisdictions ironically exact huge penalties for white-collar fraud — Africa is primarily saddled with corruption because some members of a minority elite connive to rape the continent and ensure that the positive economic indices are only on paper and do not reach the pockets of the ordinary people at the grassroots.

We cannot continue to pay lip service to the strengthening, empowerment and independent management of our multiple anti-corruption institutions. We live in countries where poor, petty thieves get imprisoned for several years while businessmen who evade taxes in millions of dollars or a politician who misappropriates millions of state funds escape punishment.

These inequalities are recipes for the retrogression of our democracies and we cannot allow the negative tide to continue. As I said earlier a democracy that cannot provide socio-economic justice cannot be a healthy democracy and will remain vulnerable and fragile.

Our institutions are weak because we do not strengthen and protect them adequately in our constitutions. While the legislature can enact laws that empower institutions, constitutional entrenchment of such provisions would ensure that political parties with majority control within legislative assemblies do not manipulate the powers of these institutions.

Institutions in the advanced countries have evolved over time having encountered huge challenges, but we have the capacity to ensure true independence for these institutions in a manner that does not infringe on the rights of the senior politician in government, the critical opposition leader or the cobbler at the street corner.

Africa has bright prospects, but these prospects can only see fruition if we embrace a patriotic desire to witness even development within our societies and not a selfish, myopic desire to enrich oneself at the expense of national development and cohesion.

One of our proudest assets must be our sense of nationalism. Emerging democracies in putting in place structures such as the National Institute for Legislative Studies must endeavour to inculcate in their citizenry the pride in defending one’s country against corrupt practices that sow seeds of disaffection especially amongst the less-advantaged in society who feel disregarded, abused and disrespected by a minority elite.

Can we change the cycle of profiting from wrong to profiting from right? If not, once again our democracy will continue to remain vulnerable and fragile.

Only last Friday, a former Attorney General in Ghana, who has waged a relentless campaign against the payment of questionable judgement debts to individuals and institutions obtained a Supreme Court ruling ordering the retrieval of over 40 million Euros from an international company which had earlier convinced government to pay her the said amount over an alleged abrogated contract.

The former Attorney General who at times faced serious ridicule from his compatriots stood his ground against all odds and won the case for Ghana. Today he is ironically being touted as a hero. But did he have to fight a lonely fight in defence of his country’s meager resources?

Does Nigeria have its lonely heroes too? Yes indeed, you do!

Once again my gratitude goes to the National Institute for Legislative Studies, the Association of European Parliamentarians with Africa and the entire Senate led by President David Mark and his Deputy Ike Ekweremadu and the ECOWAS Parliament for inviting me to be part of this important event.

Excellences, Distinguished Guests, Ladies and Gentlemen, thank you.

 


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  • dele

    Our dirty linens are sometimes better washed in the international arena so that the stench does not suffocate us in the domestic space

  • Innocent

    Rawlings probably received our presidential honorarium and is trying hard to justify it. There is no way he can say he did not refer to Nigeria in this speech.

  • Amazed

    I didn’t know that Jerry Rawlings has no honour. What is he trying to prove by lying that he made no reference to Nigeria in his speech? I apologise to PREMIUM TIMES for condemning you somewhere without hearing your side of the story. This video has definitely nailed this spineless man who does not have the courage to tell truth to power. Shame! His compatriots should be ashamed of him.

  • Blessyn

    Haba Jerry Rawlings! Abeg come watch this video and tell us again you didn’t refer to Nigeria in your speech. You don fall my hand abeg. Premium Times carry go joor.

  • dominic’s

    Oga Rawling is afraid of his plane being being grounded by FAAN, NAMA and NCAA anytime he visits Nigeria

  • PEOPLE

    Sorry Mr. Rawling, you have failed yourself. Stop telling lies. You are very corrupt.

  • Sagba

    This confirms to me that no man is flawless, even anti-corruption heroes like Rawlings! Sign of hard times? As for Abati , he will be out of government someday. I wonder how he will re-connect with his constituency again. I wonder!

  • Joseph Ejechi

    My take is simple here. The video evidence simply reinforced Jerry’s
    presentation that he made no scathing remarks against the presidency. I
    am not a defender of GEJ but I cannot see bright sun light in the day
    and pretend or falsely label it as moonlight at night because some
    patches of clouds had appeared.. There is clear
    difference between broad day light and pitch darkness of the night.
    Interpretative reporting should not be taken to mean insinuatory
    reporting. There is no way you can input into the mind of the speaker
    what has not been there. In Jerry’s disclaimer of your report he stated,
    “We wish to state strongly that the report is laced
    with irresponsible falsehoods, fabricated quotations and wrong allusions
    that bring the image of His Excellency Jerry John Rawlings into
    disrepute”. What that amounts to is that your report of the event presented to the public, twisted conclusions. I
    believe as a news medium, you owe the public the duty to inform
    accurately but it does appear one may not be able to rely on what comes
    out from your stable. Sorry to say, but it does cast some shadow of
    doubts on the integrity of Premium Times.

    • Oghenebrume Rowlands

      insinuatory reporting??? Really these GEJ crowd got juice! If you have nothing to say wont you just keep quiet. Rawlings was really caught pants down. Simple. So “Africa” does not mean “Nigeria and other countries?” True there is a failure of imagination in this land. Shame.

      • Joseph Ejechi

        That lack of imagination is resident in people who see black and call it white. Like I know it is only a fool who could not express himself in the gathering of discussants that will ask people to keep quiet. They do that to hide their inadequacies. That kind of complex that bullies are noted for. Rowlands, you would have been able to counter what I said if you think I was wrong. One thing people like you cherish so much is cheap gossips that takes one no where. Prove me wrong if you can and don’t just shoot passing aimless shots.Tell us you are the only imaginative Nigerian living.

    • Es3

      Joseph,
      You will never get the hoardes of anti-Jonathan campaigners to agree with you, even with a glaring evidence as this!
      Instead of agreeing with you, they are ready to replace “Africa” with “Nigeria” in Rawlings speech and swear that that what he said, if not, then that what he meant???!
      Rawlings even said he not sure of the present government stands on the issue but that Jonathan’s predecessors are guilty of it, but ask the brainwashed and blinded ones, they will tell you Rawlings never said so or that he meant another thing!!!
      My simple advise to you? Keep your head and do not give in to their abuses and blackmail, no matter what! Stand firm on your grounds on your position here and elsewhere!

  • Ndidi

    Jerry Rawlings has not lied. His speech is thought-provoking and shows he has a deep love not only for Nigeria, but for Africa. Premium Times owes him an apology.

    • funso Alabi

      No one is doubting the depth of Rawlings’ speech. It was/is indeed a great speech. Thank God for all great and hidden speech writers. GEJ probably has read greater speeches which he can also claim as his own…what is at issue here is that he blatantly lied by accusing a newspaper of derogating on his reputation. That was not proven from all evidence available here. The video evidence here cast him as a very poor character.

      • davoo

        i will rather choose to believe that u ar a staff of PT trying to defend your organisation. in the first instance wht diffrence does it mak if Rawlings made direct comments about Nigeria and its corrupt officials? isnt it an obvious fact? who in the world doesnt knw how corrupt Nigeria politicians are? so why is d PT making an issue outta Rawlings message? rather dn focusing on hw w can leverage on such powerful speeches to demand accountability and probity from our leaders, w are falling for surreptitious moves by paid journalists to divert attention from d Rawlings message and rather castigate him for undiplomatic speeches. whr is dt freedom of expression our journalists alwaz claim whnever they are asked to account for their stories????……abegi

        • Udo Ibuot

          Your argument is incomprehensible. Next time, first try to understand the issue at stake before you engage in any argument. Rawlings accused PT times of making up words he did not say during a speech. The impression innocent readers got from his rebuttal was that he just mounted the podium, read the prepared speech he posted along with rebuttal and got down, without other comments not captured in the speech. But, the video evidence posted by PT showed that Rawlings is actually clever by half; a man with a tar brush, fighting hard to justify the pay he collected for the image laundry job.

  • Kas

    I don’t see any reason why a Genius/Hero in Former Ghanaian President; the most respected John Jerry Rawlings with good & genuine intentions for the eradication of the menace of corruption in Africa should be castigated for refuting being misquoted by a Reporter. I had rather prefer his opinion/stand being complimented by all. Lets stop hewing abuses at Mr. Rawlings cos He deserved much more than that.

    • Sagba

      No one is insulting Mr Rawlings, who to my mind, remains an illustrious son of Africa. His denial of what has been supported by video evidence (just like Governors Forum debacle) is simply a reminder that he, like any other hero, has a foot of clay afterall!

    • Es3

      Kas,
      Did you say mis-quoted?
      With Premium Times, Sahara Reporters, Punch and the Nation, there is no misquoting anywhere, as all are done on purpose!!!

  • Treasure

    “He added that Nigerians should firmly support their anti-corruption crusaders to break the cycle of graft that has gripped the land. “I’m saying you do (have lonely heroes). And they need to fly with boldness. They need your support if you have to change that cycle. People must learn to profit from right, from virtue and not from vice.”

    Above is an excerpt from the above story. What is wrong with our people sef? Why will anyone who is not mischievous say Rawlings had no Nigeria in mind in his speech. I tire for this country o. Is this government not the most corrupt in Africa?

  • Adesina

    This Premium Times guys can catch people pants down. I bow. Abeg Rawlings, Reno, Abati, take a bow, a bow of shame. Cover your faces in shame.

  • Afam

    Very sorry how some frustrated politicians are using every available junk media rooms to cast their hate on someone the perceived as their enemy,from the full text here and the video ,mr Jerry never mentioned this very government in particular,even at a stage where he said `Oga at the top` he quickly said the one he knows at the past but he did not know of this present one..who was using anti graft agency to fight his enemies…May God help some so called journalists.

  • Michael Ijere

    Rawlings did not contradict himself in any video evidence , rather he merely corroborated what he earlier said , that Premium Times , for reasons best known to them , twisted his statement and imputed fabrications .. Period

  • Ndaa

    “He added that Nigerians should firmly support their anti-corruption crusaders to break the cycle of graft that has gripped the land. “I’m saying you do (have lonely heroes). And they need to fly with boldness. They need your support if you have to change that cycle. People must learn to profit from right, from virtue and not from vice.”

    I’m burning with anger here. Why is Rawlings struggling to deny that he didn’t refer to Nigeria? Is he trying to justify the “honorarium” he got from the Nigerian government? Is he broke so soon? The Nigerian presidency should also understand that madness has its levels. Their claims and posturing are really ludicrous.

  • Isimeme1

    Can everyone now see that money is the source of all evil? I wonder what the Jerry Rawlings of 1978 think of this sorry/pathetic 2013 version. Lets us endeavor to bring honor to the memory of our great ancestors by subjugating Nigeria to the concept of JUSTICE. Any one who thinks that these looters will not pay eventually is living in dream world. all past & present looters must eventually face justice: only way our beloved Nigeria can ever SMELL peace. Its just life, what can i tell you….