Yoruba group, OPC, lambasts Benin chiefs over comment on Oduduwa history

Oba of Benin

The Oodua Peoples Congress (OPC) has accused Benin palace chiefs of distorting Oduduwa history, saying their comments were capable of triggering discord between the Yoruba and people of the Benin Kingdom.

The group also said the research being relied on by the chiefs to deny the relationship between people of the two races lacked credibility.

The National Coordinator of the congress, Gani Adams, said in a press statement made available to PREMIUM TIMES on Friday that the comments credited to the palace chiefs about Yoruba origin were unhistorical and unreliable.

Mr. Adams said such poorly researched claims lacked historical credibility, could be inflammatory and could set the two noble race against each other.

He said the relationship between ”the Yoruba Omo Oduduwa and the Edo was rooted in history and shrouded in mystery in other to keep the two vibrant nations together and oil the chord of communal relationship for ever.”

“Even, though some writers of historical documents about the relationship and chord of brotherhood between the two have allowed personal sentiments and pecuniary consideration to overrule their sense of judgement, clarity, fairness, objectivity and harmonious cohabitation. And the purported statement from an high chief of Benin belong to this trend,” the OPC leader said.

“We should not indulge in diluted information coined by agents of destabilization which emphasised those things that divide us instead of talking of those things that unite us.”

‘Whatever angle or point of view any writer come out with in this discourse, the fact remains constant that there is a bond of relationship which is not fleeting but fundamentally essential between the Yoruba Omo Oodua and the Edo Omo Eweka the Great.”

He appealed to the traditional institutions in Benin and Ile-Ife to be wary of palace chiefs who he said were only out to pitch the two noble royal houses against each other by their sheer impetuosity and face service.”

Mr. Adams commended the royal sagacity and visionary posture of the Ooni of Ife, Enitan Adeyeye Ogunwusi, not only for remaining calm, but for refusing to “dignify the sender of those ill-researched statements with any response”.

“I must also commend the political maturity and sagacity being displayed by the Imperial Majesty, Oba Enitan Adeyeye Babatunde Ogunwusi, Ojaja 11, who has been consistent in his peace diplomacy shuttle among the traditional Obas in Yoruba land which has kicked – off a brand new era of harmonious relationship among the Obas in the south – west,” Mr. Adams said.

He warned those he described as ”scripters of divisive statements, the procurer of false history and the spreader of ill -researched historical fallacy to put a stop in their unholy act and allow peace, unity, harmony and era of brotherly interaction take control among the traditional rulers in the South West including their sibling in Edo State.”

”We are warning them to stop sowing seeds of discord among the Omo Oduduwa and their siblings in Edo State,” the OPC leader said.

The Ooni of Ife had on Tuesday said Benin Kingdom in Edo State remained part of the expansive Yoruba race, a pronouncement that may spark fresh rivalry and altercation between people of the two ancient kingdoms.

The monarch made the comment in reaction to a statement credited to the palace of the Oba of Benin challenging the claim by the Alake of Egbaland, Adedotun Gbadebo, that the Ooni of Ife remained the pre-eminent spiritual leader in Yorubaland and environs.

Oba Ogunwusi, via a statement by his Director of Media and Public Affairs, Moses Olafare, had said he was not interested in any supremacy battle with anyone but that he would continue to put the records straight and avoid distortion of history from any quarters.

The monarch said going by historical evidence detailing the Oduduwa lineage, Benin Kingdom remained part and parcel of Oduduwa House.

“We in Oduduwa land have always seen and regarded our people in Benin kingdom as part and parcel of Oduduwa House. They are our brothers and sisters, coupled with historical facts to back up this position,” Ooni Ogunwusi said.

The Alake had, while hosting the Oba Ogunwusi in his palace on February 7, rated the Ooni as the number one monarch in Yorubaland and other territories considered part of the Oduduwa House.

In his rating, Oba Gbadebo said Oba Ogunwusi was number one of the five principal Obas in Yorubaland, followed by the Alaafin of Oyo, then by the Oba of Benin (in third position), the Alake of Egbaland (fourth) and the Awujale of Ijebuland (fifth).

But in a swift reaction on Tuesday, the Esogban of Benin and Odionwere of the Kingdom, David Edebiri, rejected the ranking, saying the Ooni of Ife was a son of the Oba of Benin and that the Oba of Benin stool has no relationship with the Yoruba race.

The Esogban said, “We wanted to discard this report as something that was not necessary at all. We do not see how the Alake of Egbaland suddenly woke up to think that the Oba of Benin is also a Yoruba Oba.

“There is no basis for such classification; Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas. It is simply unnecessary, unless they simply want to stir up an unnecessary controversy.

“We are not in Yorubaland. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial.

“For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egba land. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin.

“That word Oba is indigenous to Benin. It is only in recent times you find everybody bearing Oba. When the Western Regional conference of traditional rulers took place in Benin City in 1942, go and check the attendance, there was no other monarch in the whole of the Western Region then that bore the title of Oba, except the Oba of Benin.

“So it is an unnecessary excursion, an unnecessary attempt to turn history upside down by the Alake by classifying the Oba of Benin as third in the hierarchy of kings.

“Our own traditional history says that the Ooni of Ife was a Benin Prince who wandered from here to Ife, settled there and became the ruler there. That is the position, if they don’t know, they should send people here; we will teach them.

“We will show them landmarks. So this is unnecessary misrepresentation of history. Maybe the Alake wanted to mention a different place and not Benin.

“The monarchical rulership in this part of the world started from Benin during the era of the Ogisos. It was the son of the last Ogiso, Owodo, that wandered from here to Ife and he became a ruler there, carrying everything about the Benin monarchical system to that place. There is no basis for such classification.

“The Ooni of Ife, by historical facts, is a son of the Oba of Benin, so they are not in the same class. The Oba of Benin is the only one that answers Oba, the rest don’t. But today, we hear Oba here and there, they are all recent adaptations. I am saying categorically that the word Oba is indigenous to Benin and not to Yoruba nation.”

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  • bjay

    Gani adams should shortup he is small to tell we history he doesn’t understand, the esongban had said it all. Average yorubas can only script out half origin of oni of ife, but every binis can history you the foundation of oni ife from bini Kingdom.

    • AIYEKOTO

      Up to 1946, why was every dead Benin Oba buried in Ile-Ife? The word Oba, is it a Yoruba or Benin word?

      • Hans Oreva

        It’s a bini word… you lots never had the title Oba,the Oba you use is a mordern creation… how can the Oba be surbodinate to the ooni but yoruba have a long written history of warfare with dahomey and Dahomey is a vassal state of the Bini empire?…

        • Reminisce6

          You may have to research the meaning of Oba in Yoruba language and i can assure you its deeply in variables,Any response to the question:Up to 1946, why was every dead Benin Oba buried in Ile-Ife?

          • naija man

            namw the Oba that was buried in Ile-Ife?

          • mike

            If Benin kingdom is part of yoruba as claimed…………. then Delta is part too because ? Remember, EDO +DELTA= BENDEL

          • naija man

            don,t mind them with their baby oni

          • Otile

            Cry baby like Gen Oladipo Diya.

          • Hans Oreva

            Oba means king and the reason why the Obas head were buried in ife is simple; inheritance and religion….atleast we all agree Oramiyan was invited to be take over from the Ogiso’s as soon as the coup by the Uzamas were carried out, or we all agree at least that Oramiyan was the first Oba of bini and his son Eweka carried the tradition; now, Oramiyan being the last son of Odua left bini in control of his son and returned back to ife to find out that odua was already old and blind and he already split his properties to his other children, he then gave Oramiyan his staff allowing him to collect 10percent of all the harvest from the other 15 siblings by giving him his staff, Odua indirectly gave the kingship of ife to oramiyan.. *Ooni means the spared one(as your grandparents or parents they will tell you), its a taboo to sacrifice a pregnant woman when it was found out by Odua that the woman to be sacrificed was pregnant, she was spared and the her son became a shadow to Odua on all religious matter(hence he was dedicated to the gods) to effectively collect his 10% inheritance, Oramiyan a fearless warrior founded the OyO empire and at the death of Odua he refused to take kingship over the less organised ife who was primarily interested in religious sacrifice, Oramiyan would not leave the comfort of his OYO capital to reside in Ife so he stayed behind and allowed the Ooni become the defacto ruler in his absence…he only requested that he be buried in Ife…now if Ife is oramiyan inheritance and he has to be buried in ife to signify that he truly is the ruler of ife too; it is also the property of his sons born in bini, and the since the advent of oramiyan, Ife and bini now pratice similar religion ( for example a xtian man married to a buddhist woman, his children would most likely follow their fathers religion). so if the Obas head was buried in ife it is to claim what was his father inheritance…now his full body cannot be buried in Ife, half stays in bini the other half goes to ife; this is an indictment on the OOni’s office…. now according to you why where the Obas of bini, head buried in IFE?

          • Otile

            Exhume one such oba for the world to see and believe you. Stop making the ridiculous claim that Bini people are Yorubas. If you are looking for alliance liberate your Kwara people from your Fulani masters first, then turn to Kogi state, you will have a lot of people to join and help you out when Biafra breaks away. It’s going to be a big loss, bebe. Sorry

          • mike

            Why is yoruba claiming Benin Kingdom now ?
            Are they afraid biafra will come?
            Are they afraid the Benins will go with Ibos?
            Are they making boundary visible?
            why ?

            MY PRAYERS FOR THIS GREAT COUNTRY IS ONE NIGERIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

        • Profy

          What’s the meaning of OBA in Benin. Because I know ur King is called OGISO. It was Oranmiyan son Eweka that change it to OBA. Don’t teach me nonsense.

          • Otile

            Sorry to say this, your arguments tend to be puerile. Language is never a good predictor of history. That some cultures can impose their language on others does not mean that everybody speaking your language originated from your primogeniture. For example, in Latin America Spanish is the dominant language of the people, can you therefore conclude from that the native Incas descended from Spain?

        • Abe Lawrence

          At no time was Dahomey a vassal state of Bini. Dahomey was only a vassal state to Oyo Empire till the time of Alaafin Ahole. Here’s a short account about the dynasty of Oranmiyan as the Oba of Bini. According to oral tradition, the first dynasty of the Edo or Benin Kingdom was the Ogiso dynasty, rulers who were known to their people as the kings of the Sky.[1] The number of such kings varies depending on which tradition is followed.[1] One tradition gives the number as 31 while others state twelve or even one.[1] Whatever the case may be, Oranmiyan was the grandson of Oduduwa a fearless warrior that ousted the Ogiso dynasty and conquer Benin Kingdom. Shortly afterwards, the Eweka dynasty was founded by Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent some years in Benin before returning to Ife to subsequently establish a Yoruba kingdom at Oyo. It is said that he left Benin (called Ubinu those days) in anger, for its palace intrigues and fights over power caused by the brother of the last Ogiso, as synonymous with ‘vexations’. On his way home to Ife, Oranmiyan stopped briefly at Ego, where he impregnated Princess Erimwinde, the daughter of the duke of Ego, in short order. She is then believed to have given birth to a son named Eweka (also called Owomika in bini dialect according to oral tradition). Eweka happens to be the first Oba of Benin, title associated with Yoruba Obas.

          In 2016 I argued with omoh s came to power and turned the city-state into an empire that stretched further west to the coveted port, Eko. The name “Benin” is a Portuguese corruption of “Bini” which itself is a corruption of the Itsekhiri’s “Ubinu”. “Bini” came into use in the 15th century during the reign of Oba Ewuare the Great by the increasing mix of ethnicities living together or arriving to pay dues at the royal administrative centre. At about 1485, following the Portuguese involvement in the area, the city proper began to be referred to as “Benin” while the expanding group of tributary states became known as the “Benin Empire”.

          During the 15th and 16th centuries, the Oba of Benin’s power was at its peak and different monarchs of the dynasty controlled significant stretches of land in what is now West Africa. During this era, exquisite naturalistic bronze art was created to enhance and embody the power of the Oba. The art often depicted the ancestors in order to establish both continuity and legitimacy. Due to this, only the Obas of Benin were allowed to own the famous bronze heads of Benin.

          List of Obas of the Benin Empire (1180-present) Edit

          Pre-Imperial Obas of Benin (1180-1440) Edit

          The dates of reigns of these early kings are highly uncertain.[1]

          Eweka I (1180–1246)

          Uwuakhuahen (1246–1250)

          Henmihen (1250–1260)

          Ewedo (1260–1274)

          Oguola (1274–1287)

          Edoni (1287–1292)

          Udagbedo (1292–1329)

          Ohen (1329–1366)

          Egbeka (1366–1397)

          Orobiru (1397–1434)

          Uwaifiokun (1434–1440)

          Obas of the Benin Empire (1440-1897) Edit

          There is some uncertainty in the dates of the reigns of some of the earlier warrior kings[2]

          Ewuare (1440–1473)

          Ezoti (1473–1475)

          Olua (1475–1480)

          Ozolua (1480–1504)

          Esigie (1504–1547)

          Orhogbua (1547–1580)

          Ehengbuda (1580–1602)

          Ohuan (1602–1656)

          Ohenzae (1656–1661)

          Akenzae (1661–1669)

          Akengboi (1669–1675)

          Akenkpaye (1675–1684)

          Akengbedo (1684–1689)

          Ore-Oghene (1689–1701)

          Ewuakpe (1701–1712)

          Ozuere (1712–1713)

          Akenzua I (1713–1740)

          Eresoyen (1740–1750)

          Akengbuda (1750–1804)

          Obanosa (1804–1816)

          Ogbebo (1816)

          Osemwende (1816–1848)

          Adolo (1848–1888)

          Ovonramwen Nogbaisi (1888–1914) (exiled to Calabar by the British in 1897)

          Post-Imperial Obas of Benin (1914-Present) Edit

          Eweka II (1914–1933)

          Akenzua II (1933–1978)

          Erediauwa I (1979- )

      • naija man

        name the Oba that was buried in Ile-Ife?

      • Otile

        Na lie, No Oba Bini was ever buried outside present day Edo.

        • Julius

          Really ? You would know that being a Jew from Congo. lolz

  • PolyGon2013

    Oback of Benin is the son of Ooni of Ife. End of Discussion.

  • NoSpinEd

    Your excellencies, It might be wise at this juncture to simply agree to disagree as civilized natural rulers of both ancient kingdoms. Our progress today as a nation of nations has no bearing on who was the ruler of who in antiquity. It is an unfortunate fact that our peoples have no written records of the past and have had to depend partly on legends drawn from oral tradition and the writings of European explorers of the time. May the Oni of Ife and the Oba of Benin live long and our peoples prosper. God bless the Federal republic of Nigeria.

    • thisnigeria

      I find your comment most sensible. When there are no written records, it becomes “my word against yours”. And especially because neither claim has any bearing to the progress of the peoples involved, it is highly recommended that every one remains “ajuwaya”.

      • Sir Demo

        There are written records. The Binis and Ifes ruling houses are RELATED. End of discussion.

        • Factsay

          yes, bcoz the royal families of ife are from binis. simple!!!

          • Sir Demo

            And what about the hundreds of royal families of other Yoruba towns that descended from Ife royal family, that is Oyos, Egbas, Ijeshas, Itshekiris, Ondos, Ijebus, Saros etc. The descendants of Oduduwa, since Oranmiyan is even a grandson of the so called Bini run away Prince. Binis too? Those Obas are true bloods of Oduduwa hence why are the Binis not in any ways link to them.

            Oranmiyan the father of Eweka left Benin to establish Oyo where he married a Nupe princess who gave birth to Sango. That link till today is there. In Brazil, Cuba, Arizona in US etc, Yoruba culture and traditions even language is still alive there. So, who then is from who?

          • Factsay

            Stop this ur oduduwa that fell from sky. That’s a myth fairy tale character.
            Any royal family from ife is probably a descendant from bini

          • Sir Demo

            Therefore Yorubas are Binis, Binis are Yorubas?

          • Factsay

            No. Some royal families in yariba are binis bcoz their root is from benin

          • Julius

            Aint u a Jew ? Hahahahahaha !!

          • Factsay

            More realistic than fairly tale of falling from the sky

          • Julius

            Yea, o Israel, here comes the cannibals from the congo ! Migrate to Israel and see what happens. Bunch of uncultred bums

          • Julius

            Aint u a Jew ? Hahahahahaa !!

          • Factsay

            Makes more sense than falling from sky.

          • Julius

            Yea, just as it makes sense to be a cannibal from Congo. Right ?

  • Chidi

    no1, no2, no 3 etc only a lazy person who have nothing useful to do will wake up one morning and be counting oba1,2,3 etc !
    Haha. Hail BIAFRA!

    • Julius

      Why a Jew got involve in this ? Shouldnt you be moving back to Israel ?

      • okenwa

        Atleast they sabi say them be jew but unlike person wey no sabi him papa, na bastard dem dey call am for my place.

        • Julius

          Dem no be Jew, dem be congolese. Its a lie from a fraudulent people. Go to Israel and declare yourself Jewish and see what happen to you. Well , you are correct, they dont know where they came from or who their father are. They are indeed bastards ! People without culture will never know who they are, hence they fraudulent claim of being Jewish.

      • Chidi

        We will push you to Togo!

  • Truthometer

    Yorubas should not take this bait. This is unnecessary controversy. Everybody should forthwith stop i!

  • Chidi

    That should first of all go and collect Kwara state from the fulanis/ Hausas who have instill an emir there instead counting who is number 1 or 2…!

    • Sir Demo

      You are still confusing Ilorin with Kwara haba! Even the emirs of Ilorin and their facilities have adopted and are bearing Yoruba names.

      • Factsay

        Eweka is now yariba name?

        • Julius

          We know that you are Jews !. Abi. Lmaoooooooooooooooo !!

          • Factsay

            Yes oo.
            N u are sky people. Hahahaha

          • AriaFada

            Will the sky people and the jews stop killing me with laughter!

      • Chidi

        Lying coward!

  • Chidi

    At least history told us that the Benin kingdom fought the British. It did not mention yorubas. So that the DONT wake up tomorrow to say the yorubas were the 1st, 2nd and 10th that fought the British!

    • Abe Lawrence

      Don’t bring ethnic nonsense here, Egba Kingdom was the last Kingdom to come under British Union Jack. Egba Kingdom now Abeokuta. The Ijebu people fought the British in a war known as Ijebu expedition. Let people who know teach you. Here is the account of the history of the Oranmiyan dynasty of the Obas of Bini. According to oral tradition, the first dynasty of the Edo or Benin Kingdom was the Ogiso dynasty, rulers who were known to their people as the kings of the Sky.[1] The number of such kings varies depending on which tradition is followed.[1] One tradition gives the number as 31 while others state twelve or even one.[1] Whatever the case may be, Oranmiyan was the grandson of Oduduwa a fearless warrior that ousted the Ogiso dynasty and conquer Benin Kingdom. Shortly afterwards, the Eweka dynasty was founded by Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent some years in Benin before returning to Ife to subsequently establish a Yoruba kingdom at Oyo. It is said that he left Benin (called Ubinu those days) in anger, for its palace intrigues and fights over power caused by the brother of the last Ogiso, as synonymous with ‘vexations’. On his way home to Ife, Oranmiyan stopped briefly at Ego, where he impregnated Princess Erimwinde, the daughter of the duke of Ego, in short order. She is then believed to have given birth to a son named Eweka (also called Owomika in bini dialect according to oral tradition). Eweka happens to be the first Oba of Benin, title associated with Yoruba Obas.

      In 2016 I argued with omoh s came to power and turned the city-state into an empire that stretched further west to the coveted port, Eko. The name “Benin” is a Portuguese corruption of “Bini” which itself is a corruption of the Itsekhiri’s “Ubinu”. “Bini” came into use in the 15th century during the reign of Oba Ewuare the Great by the increasing mix of ethnicities living together or arriving to pay dues at the royal administrative centre. At about 1485, following the Portuguese involvement in the area, the city proper began to be referred to as “Benin” while the expanding group of tributary states became known as the “Benin Empire”.

      During the 15th and 16th centuries, the Oba of Benin’s power was at its peak and different monarchs of the dynasty controlled significant stretches of land in what is now West Africa. During this era, exquisite naturalistic bronze art was created to enhance and embody the power of the Oba. The art often depicted the ancestors in order to establish both continuity and legitimacy. Due to this, only the Obas of Benin were allowed to own the famous bronze heads of Benin.

      List of Obas of the Benin Empire (1180-present) Edit

      Pre-Imperial Obas of Benin (1180-1440) Edit

      The dates of reigns of these early kings are highly uncertain.[1]

      Eweka I (1180–1246)

      Uwuakhuahen (1246–1250)

      Henmihen (1250–1260)

      Ewedo (1260–1274)

      Oguola (1274–1287)

      Edoni (1287–1292)

      Udagbedo (1292–1329)

      Ohen (1329–1366)

      Egbeka (1366–1397)

      Orobiru (1397–1434)

      Uwaifiokun (1434–1440)

      Obas of the Benin Empire (1440-1897) Edit

      There is some uncertainty in the dates of the reigns of some of the earlier warrior kings[2]

      Ewuare (1440–1473)

      Ezoti (1473–1475)

      Olua (1475–1480)

      Ozolua (1480–1504)

      Esigie (1504–1547)

      Orhogbua (1547–1580)

      Ehengbuda (1580–1602)

      Ohuan (1602–1656)

      Ohenzae (1656–1661)

      Akenzae (1661–1669)

      Akengboi (1669–1675)

      Akenkpaye (1675–1684)

      Akengbedo (1684–1689)

      Ore-Oghene (1689–1701)

      Ewuakpe (1701–1712)

      Ozuere (1712–1713)

      Akenzua I (1713–1740)

      Eresoyen (1740–1750)

      Akengbuda (1750–1804)

      Obanosa (1804–1816)

      Ogbebo (1816)

      Osemwende (1816–1848)

      Adolo (1848–1888)

      Ovonramwen Nogbaisi (1888–1914) (exiled to Calabar by the British in 1897)

      Post-Imperial Obas of Benin (1914-Present) Edit

      Eweka II (1914–1933)

      Akenzua II (1933–1978)

      Erediauwa I (1979- )

      • Chidi

        My keep Quiet!
        You have not fought common aboki you talking of evil britain!

    • Sir Demo

      Chai! Read about just Eko, Lagos history! About Kodko and Dosumu and the Eko Epe and Ijebu Epe. Knowledge no dey kill.

      • Factsay

        read about falling from sky. mumu-knowledge no dey kill either

        • Sir Demo

          I understand ur frame of mind now, no more discourse with a twit

      • Chidi

        Hey go back to Togo!

  • Felix

    Hmmm, They are now beginning to quietly go for the middle ground having heard the truth. At least its a better move though. Sounds more like the woman telling king Solomon to divide the baby into two so as to balance things. However I like the fact that the bini chief used physical and historical evidence to back up his claim while Some other people were using tales by moonlight and mythology to back up theirs.

  • thisnigeria

    Honestly, my only comment is that any one arguing for one or the other without written evidence needs to stop it. No one should tell me what a white man said or wrote because he, the white man met these kingdoms there and what he wrote depends on whom he had contact with first. We all should should cover our eyes in shame for being so backward as not to have a written history. Unfortunately, we are not yet putting our houses in order with all our unbelievable greed and selfishness even this far into the twenty first century. Nobody knows for example for certain how many we are in Nigeria. No one knows how many were born last year and so forth. And we are quick in expending our energies on irrelevances as this. What has this got to do with food on your table; good road to travel on, your security or even light or water in your house?

  • AWO PIKIN

    SO THE PEOPLE OF BENIN DID NOT MIGRATE FROM IFE TO BENIN ABI————–MAY BE THE ONI OF IFE MUST HAVE MOVED FROM KOKO AMONG THE ITSEKIRIS TO SETTLE IN IFE–THE ONLY SOLUTION IS FOR NIGERIA TO TOW THE LINE OF INDIA DO AWAY WITH THE MAHARAJAS–TRADITIONAL

    • thisnigeria

      THE TRUTH IS THAT WE DO NOT NEED TRADITIONAL RULERS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MAKING ANY POSITIVE IMPACTS. THEY ARE GOOD ONLY AT MAKING CLAIMS WITH NO PROOFS.

  • FreeNigeria

    OPC Adams should channel his anger to the Alake that started this controversy. At the end, monarchy is just ceremonials in today’s world. One thing is certain, Oba of Benin is not appointed by politicians.

    • Abe Lawrence

      According to oral tradition, the first dynasty of the Edo or Benin Kingdom was the Ogiso dynasty, rulers who were known to their people as the kings of the Sky.[1] The number of such kings varies depending on which tradition is followed.[1] One tradition gives the number as 31 while others state twelve or even one.[1] Whatever the case may be, Oranmiyan was the grandson of Oduduwa a fearless warrior that ousted the Ogiso dynasty and conquer Benin Kingdom. Shortly afterwards, the Eweka dynasty was founded by Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent some years in Benin before returning to Ife to subsequently establish a Yoruba kingdom at Oyo. It is said that he left Benin (called Ubinu those days) in anger, for its palace intrigues and fights over power caused by the brother of the last Ogiso, as synonymous with ‘vexations’. On his way home to Ife, Oranmiyan stopped briefly at Ego, where he impregnated Princess Erimwinde, the daughter of the duke of Ego, in short order. She is then believed to have given birth to a son named Eweka (also called Owomika in bini dialect according to oral tradition). Eweka happens to be the first Oba of Benin, title associated with Yoruba Obas.

      In 2016 I argued with omoh s came to power and turned the city-state into an empire that stretched further west to the coveted port, Eko. The name “Benin” is a Portuguese corruption of “Bini” which itself is a corruption of the Itsekhiri’s “Ubinu”. “Bini” came into use in the 15th century during the reign of Oba Ewuare the Great by the increasing mix of ethnicities living together or arriving to pay dues at the royal administrative centre. At about 1485, following the Portuguese involvement in the area, the city proper began to be referred to as “Benin” while the expanding group of tributary states became known as the “Benin Empire”.

      During the 15th and 16th centuries, the Oba of Benin’s power was at its peak and different monarchs of the dynasty controlled significant stretches of land in what is now West Africa. During this era, exquisite naturalistic bronze art was created to enhance and embody the power of the Oba. The art often depicted the ancestors in order to establish both continuity and legitimacy. Due to this, only the Obas of Benin were allowed to own the famous bronze heads of Benin.

      List of Obas of the Benin Empire (1180-present) Edit

      Pre-Imperial Obas of Benin (1180-1440) Edit

      The dates of reigns of these early kings are highly uncertain.[1]

      Eweka I (1180–1246)

      Uwuakhuahen (1246–1250)

      Henmihen (1250–1260)

      Ewedo (1260–1274)

      Oguola (1274–1287)

      Edoni (1287–1292)

      Udagbedo (1292–1329)

      Ohen (1329–1366)

      Egbeka (1366–1397)

      Orobiru (1397–1434)

      Uwaifiokun (1434–1440)

      Obas of the Benin Empire (1440-1897) Edit

      There is some uncertainty in the dates of the reigns of some of the earlier warrior kings[2]

      Ewuare (1440–1473)

      Ezoti (1473–1475)

      Olua (1475–1480)

      Ozolua (1480–1504)

      Esigie (1504–1547)

      Orhogbua (1547–1580)

      Ehengbuda (1580–1602)

      Ohuan (1602–1656)

      Ohenzae (1656–1661)

      Akenzae (1661–1669)

      Akengboi (1669–1675)

      Akenkpaye (1675–1684)

      Akengbedo (1684–1689)

      Ore-Oghene (1689–1701)

      Ewuakpe (1701–1712)

      Ozuere (1712–1713)

      Akenzua I (1713–1740)

      Eresoyen (1740–1750)

      Akengbuda (1750–1804)

      Obanosa (1804–1816)

      Ogbebo (1816)

      Osemwende (1816–1848)

      Adolo (1848–1888)

      Ovonramwen Nogbaisi (1888–1914) (exiled to Calabar by the British in 1897)

      Post-Imperial Obas of Benin (1914-Present) Edit

      Eweka II (1914–1933)

      Akenzua II (1933–1978)

      Erediauwa I (1979- )

      • FreeNigeria

        Stop pasting your fairy tale everywhere. Good you know the list of Oba of Benin. Can you list the same for Oni of Ife and Alafin of Oyo as well as the Alake of Egbaland all those political appointees

  • tsunami1earthquake

    Let the fight start! Yoruba have made their point, the Edo have made their point. So it is now one goal apiece. Which side will score the winning goal? We are watching.

  • Rommel

    The Yoruba version does not have facts to support their story and claims,only allusions, myths,oral lies while the BINI history is complete with verifiable facts,landmarks based on reality,it is possible that the OPC guy spoke drinking a very potent Agbo laced with Indian hemp.

    • Abe Lawrence

      According to oral tradition, the first dynasty of the Edo or Benin Kingdom was the Ogiso dynasty, rulers who were known to their people as the kings of the Sky.[1] The number of such kings varies depending on which tradition is followed.[1] One tradition gives the number as 31 while others state twelve or even one.[1] Whatever the case may be, Oranmiyan was the grandson of Oduduwa a fearless warrior that ousted the Ogiso dynasty and conquer Benin Kingdom. Shortly afterwards, the Eweka dynasty was founded by Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent some years in Benin before returning to Ife to subsequently establish a Yoruba kingdom at Oyo. It is said that he left Benin (called Ubinu those days) in anger, for its palace intrigues and fights over power caused by the brother of the last Ogiso, as synonymous with ‘vexations’. On his way home to Ife, Oranmiyan stopped briefly at Ego, where he impregnated Princess Erimwinde, the daughter of the duke of Ego, in short order. She is then believed to have given birth to a son named Eweka (also called Owomika in bini dialect according to oral tradition). Eweka happens to be the first Oba of Benin, title associated with Yoruba Obas.

      In 2016 I argued with omoh s came to power and turned the city-state into an empire that stretched further west to the coveted port, Eko. The name “Benin” is a Portuguese corruption of “Bini” which itself is a corruption of the Itsekhiri’s “Ubinu”. “Bini” came into use in the 15th century during the reign of Oba Ewuare the Great by the increasing mix of ethnicities living together or arriving to pay dues at the royal administrative centre. At about 1485, following the Portuguese involvement in the area, the city proper began to be referred to as “Benin” while the expanding group of tributary states became known as the “Benin Empire”.

      During the 15th and 16th centuries, the Oba of Benin’s power was at its peak and different monarchs of the dynasty controlled significant stretches of land in what is now West Africa. During this era, exquisite naturalistic bronze art was created to enhance and embody the power of the Oba. The art often depicted the ancestors in order to establish both continuity and legitimacy. Due to this, only the Obas of Benin were allowed to own the famous bronze heads of Benin.

      List of Obas of the Benin Empire (1180-present) Edit

      Pre-Imperial Obas of Benin (1180-1440) Edit

      The dates of reigns of these early kings are highly uncertain.[1]

      Eweka I (1180–1246)

      Uwuakhuahen (1246–1250)

      Henmihen (1250–1260)

      Ewedo (1260–1274)

      Oguola (1274–1287)

      Edoni (1287–1292)

      Udagbedo (1292–1329)

      Ohen (1329–1366)

      Egbeka (1366–1397)

      Orobiru (1397–1434)

      Uwaifiokun (1434–1440)

      Obas of the Benin Empire (1440-1897) Edit

      There is some uncertainty in the dates of the reigns of some of the earlier warrior kings[2]

      Ewuare (1440–1473)

      Ezoti (1473–1475)

      Olua (1475–1480)

      Ozolua (1480–1504)

      Esigie (1504–1547)

      Orhogbua (1547–1580)

      Ehengbuda (1580–1602)

      Ohuan (1602–1656)

      Ohenzae (1656–1661)

      Akenzae (1661–1669)

      Akengboi (1669–1675)

      Akenkpaye (1675–1684)

      Akengbedo (1684–1689)

      Ore-Oghene (1689–1701)

      Ewuakpe (1701–1712)

      Ozuere (1712–1713)

      Akenzua I (1713–1740)

      Eresoyen (1740–1750)

      Akengbuda (1750–1804)

      Obanosa (1804–1816)

      Ogbebo (1816)

      Osemwende (1816–1848)

      Adolo (1848–1888)

      Ovonramwen Nogbaisi (1888–1914) (exiled to Calabar by the British in 1897)

      Post-Imperial Obas of Benin (1914-Present) Edit

      Eweka II (1914–1933)

      Akenzua II (1933–1978)

      Erediauwa I (1979- )

      • Rommel

        To start with,the land that Oba Bini presides over is called EDO and the version of fairy tales you are giving me is of Yoruba origin,secondly knowing the people we today identify as Yoruba,would you agree that their ancestor was a fearless warrior? sometimes,the truth stares us in the face and yet we grope in darkness,the nature of the Yoruba today is enough for us to doubt that story

  • Ahmed Liasu

    I don’t know which words of the Benin Chief I should hold on to. According to him the Benin Kingdom has no relationship with the Yoruba kingdom but to later say that Oni of Ife is a prince of the Benin Kingdom.

    • Profy

      Don’t mind the chief he’s confuse.

    • Kickboxer

      Let me help you. Oba of Benin said that Ooni of Ife was a son of Oba of Benin to show the impact of Edo on Yorubas. So, yes, there is a relationship but it shows the direction and substance of the relationship. In all Oba of Benin showed that Edo people are not Yorubas and that Yorubas “stole” the title OBA!

      • Sir Demo

        Edos are not Yorubas but Ooni of Ife was a son of Oba of Benin? It isn’t making sense to me o

        • Factsay

          bcoz ur senses are not connecting

          • Kickboxer

            hahahaaa…it is really so funny…trust me that this guy is smarter than Thiefnubu and the latter has got to be the “LEADER.” Sometimes I feel like ‘crying’ to b associated with these morons or become a Nollywood director to make movies upon movies about these habitual morons

        • okenwa

          You were colonized by both bini in ife and fulani in ilorin. Does that make them yorubas.

      • Ahmed Liasu

        Thank you Mr. Kickboxer. Sorry to say that I don’t take serious the word of a person with double standard. The Chiefs comments are self contradictory. Do have a splendid weekend.

        • Kickboxer

          Nawaaooo….quota system education can be badooo….

          you can have all the opinions you want but you can have your FACTS……Oba of Bini’s son went ahead to become the Ooni of Ife. That to all rational persons shows that Bini has significant impact or they own th Ooni stool. It never means that Binis are now Yorubas. For anything Yorubas may claim that Ooni of Ife from Bini is now the father of all Yorubas. But Yorubas can’t make such a claim because thy alrady informed us that their origin is from a SKY man named ODUDUWA…..you see why we say that FACT IS A STUBBORN THING IT NEVER GOES AWAY…..

          now do help the Oba of Bini to stop Yorubas from stealing the title of ” OBA” and revert to the names for the various kingships in Yoruba land….LET YORUBAS STOP EMBARRASSING THEMSELVES OR MAKING YOURSELVES A LAUGHING STOCK…..that is what OBA OF BINI is trying to say….hello?

    • Factsay

      it shows that there are no yaribas in binis but there are bini descendants as yariba royal families

    • okenwa

      The same relationship nigeria has with britain. Its called colonization.

  • Profy

    I have listen with great attention all the Commentator on this forum but i want to ask this following question:
    1. The Benin Royal dynasty was formerly known as Ogiso? True or False
    2. The Benin Royal dynasty name was change to Oba when Eweka the Son of Oranmiyan become the King.
    3. Their was an undeniable fact that Eweka is Oranmiyan Son and Oranmiyan is also Oduduwa grand Son? True or False
    4. Oduduwa has a Child call okanbi who gave birth to 8 Children and Oranmiyan is the Last Son. Can Benin tell us more about the lineage of Oduduwa and where are they since they said Oduduwa or Izoduwa is from them. Beside Why would Benin Kingdom allow the son of the last born of the Grand son of Oduduwa to rule over them. This is against Benin Tradition where it is only the first Child that take over the throne?
    5. Why did Eweka the Oranmiyan son that came from IFE change the Royal title from Ogiso to Oba?
    6. In the palace of Benin during Eweka Reign and subsequent Oba up till 1940, Yoruba language was the officially language in the Benin Palace? True or False.
    7. Yoruba as a language transcend Benin Republic, Itshekiri, Brazil, Senegal, Cotedivoire, Togo and most of the West African State. How come Yoruba is that big in terms of territory and Benin Kingdom is restricted to Edo State?
    8. According to Wikipedia, Oba is a Yoruba language meaning to preside or rule . Oba ba lori ohun gbogbo.
    9. If Yoruba dont know where they come from according to some commentator, Where did Benin Royal Kingdom come from?
    10. Every tribe has 2 facts about them viz Mythology and Historical facts and Yoruba has the two.
    11. According to Yoruba mythology, Oduduwa fall from sky maybe to adore his spiritual prowess and according to their Historical facts Yoruba race come from Saudi Arabia and the Progenitor is called Lamurudu. When a mythology say someone comes from heaven it may not necessarily means he falls from the sky. For example you can refer your wife to an Angel but is she really an Angel? Funny enuf Ogiso also mean King of the Sky in bini.
    12. Do you know that Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo, Oba of Benin, Alake of Egbaland and Awujale of Ijebuland have taken picture together before. The Five them. That to me is not Ordinary. Their must be something that links the Five of them together. Just this 5 people when you have thousand of Obas in Yoruba land. Why this 5?
    13. How come Some Edo people bear Yoruba Name.
    14. Who change the name from Igodomigodo to Ile ibinu(vexation) which today is called Benin… The Answer is Oranmiyan.
    15. How come to crown an Oba of Benin the rite is not complete until he comes to a shrine in IFE.
    16. If truly Oranmiyan was called by bini to come and rule and he sent his Son instead. Can the Son throne be greater than is father throne. Alternatively it could also mean Oranmiyan transfer the sit of power to IFE and make bini his subject. It could also mean that Oranmiyan conquer Benin and sent his son to rule bcos all the Ogiso 31 of them were no longer relevant in Royal house. It is only the Eweka lineage that is entitle to the throne.

    No disrespect, I need answer one by one to all this question. Thank you.

    • naija man

      you must be a fool.when was yoruba language recognise in Bini talkless of being an oficial language in Bini palace.

      • Profy

        Bros relax no be fight. A little research will help ur curiosity. Just Google it

        • naija man

          someone wrote what you red in google.

          • Profy

            It was documented. So how do u learn if u don’t read. We are telling u what is obtainable now instead of u to either go back to Benin palace and do a little research, u r there insulting people. That is just one of 16 question I post to u

          • naija man

            you red the wrong document of history.

    • share Idea

      I wish this discussion will affect the exchange rate and stop BH acts in NE. Nigeria we hail thee

    • Otile

      If and only if you reword everyone of your questions stripping them of bias, puerile assumptions, and leading questions you will get tons of good answers.

      • Profy

        This is not biafra discussion. Park well

        • Otile

          You are clearly looking for alliance to help you stop Biafra. Take heart, Biafra is going.

          • Julius

            Your scam and your own people are the ones stopping biafraud. Period ! Your folks area all over Abuja and Lagos looking ,begging for crumps. Listen to your Dear leader kanu, he ordered everyone of you to move back home. Why arent you obeying his order ?

      • Sir Demo

        Who put this Ekpa mouth for Yorubas matter

        • Otile

          Whenever Imam abuses Biafrans Yorubas put their Guguru mouth for the matter.

    • Factsay

      does Eweka sound yariba to you?
      To be frank, that name sound more of Ibo than Yariba.

      Using wikipedia as an authority destroys everything u are trying to say. I will assume u be very young person

      • Profy

        I can see u be real mugu. I have a friend that bears the name Dayo Ateiza Ojo and he’s a Yoruba man. Ateiza is not a Yoruba name…. That is an ebira name bcos his mother is from Ebira land. In any case Eweka is a corrupt name of Owomika. The Benin Kingdom has never denied the fact that Eweka is Oranmiyan grandson and that Alaafin is their brother. The supremacy battle is what is causing that ego.

        • Factsay

          Eweka is known by Eweka, no yariba name was attached.
          Anyway ur account doesnt make sense coz there was no empire in yariba before encounter with benin empire.
          Benin empire colonized u. Simple

        • kuli

          Owomioka

  • simssoon

    This piece is in response to Femi Fani-Kayode’s article,’ Who Are The Yoruba?’

    Benin, once known as Igodomigodo, was the kingdom of rulers who
    regarded themselves as sky-kings, those whose divine rule is derived
    from the sky – Ogiso. At the eclipse of this dynasty, there was still no
    authentic heir to the throne, Owodo; the last of the Ogisos was
    desperate for a successor. His only heir, Ekaladerhan, being the son of
    an unfavoured queen (Arukho), had little or no prospect of succeeding
    his father as he was entrapped in a web of palace intrigues with the
    sole aim of depriving him succeed his father.

    A plot purported to be the wish of the gods was eventually hatched to eliminate him.

    The executioners, sensing intrigue and betrayal, spared his life. He
    secretly sojourned westward into a community the Binis called Uhe
    (Ife). At Uhe (Ife), he assumed the title of Oduduwa (I have sought my
    path of prosperity).

    Back home, the last of the Ogisos died without producing a heir to his
    throne. During the period of interregnum, a republican called Evian as
    administrator of the kingdom was succeeded by Ogiamien who became
    overzealous and ambitious. He wanted to perpetuate Evians hegemony in

    Benin. In order to sustain the age old tradition of primogeniture, the
    elders resolved to set up a search party to trace the whereabouts of
    Ekaladerhan, the only surviving heir of Ogiso Owodo.

    The elders, headed by Oliha, who were opposed to the overbearing
    nature of Ogiamien, were resolute to invite Ekaladerhan home to take
    over his rightful position as heir apparent. It became evident that the
    system of succession (father to son) had been the culture of the Binis
    since inception. It is therefore obvious there was an existing kingdom
    under the rule of the Ogisos before the establishment of Eweka I
    dynasty.

    It is also beyond doubt that this practice had been with the Binis
    before the establishment of the present dynasty of which Erediauwa is
    the 38th Oba in an unbroken succession since Eweka I in 900AD.
    A delegation of nobilities, under the leadership of Oliha, eventually
    arrived at Ile-Ife and implored Ekaladerhan to return to Benin. At the
    time the emissaries reached him, he yelled in excitement, ‘Ewore ka,’
    meaning the nucleus or the source, heart or soul of the flow will never
    go dry. He was assured of his safety and the hope of making him the
    ruler of the kingdom. The aged prince refused the invitation and
    promised that he would rather delegate power to one of his sons

    Ekaladerhan’s refusal to honour the elders’ invitation could be
    subject to many interpretations. Firstly, he must have become so old
    that he felt it unreasonable to move to Benin. Secondly, he had adapted
    himself to the culture of his new environment that he would prefer to
    remain.

    He was, in fact, the leader of the community as a result of his ingenuity and prowess in all aspects of community enterprise.

    Thirdly, he probably wanted to abide by the pledge he made that he would not set his foot on the Benin soil again.

    However, Ekaladerhan entrusted his son, Oranmiyan, into the care of
    Oliha who had promised to ensure his protection. Oranmiyan’s reign in
    Benin was short-lived. His departure from Benin was dictated by two
    factors. One, he was greatly embarrassed by the opposition of Ogiamien
    and his adherents.

    Two, Oranmiyan’s cultural background was in conflict with the custom and tradition of Binis.
    On his way back to Ile-Ife, Oranmiyan had a short stay at Ego where
    he impregnated Erhinmwinde, the daughter of the Enogie. This affair
    resulted in the birth of Eweka 1

    Femi Fani Kayode’s write up in Sunday Vanguard of May 26, 2013 at pages
    20-21 entitled, ‘Who are the Yoruba People?,’ was quite interesting

  • Basketmouth

    Profy asked pertinent questions. His questions are not only logical, it is also coherent and sequentially historical. Instead of abuse and vituperation from bias mind, a little dialectics of history will do us all a world of good. The story credited to Femi Fani-Kayode defies logic and I cannot blame Femi because he is not even properly tutored about his own family history. Will somebody supply the all needed answers to the poignant questions asked by profy plesase?

  • Sparzo

    Is Nigeria not a republic?
    Why does it still have these parasites called Kings.
    Let them and their hanger ons go find jobs and earn a decent living.

  • Omi Oduduwa

    Good. Benin kingdom has no relation to Yorubas. Please let’s move on! Yorubas don’t need Edos for nothing, we have curbed our imperialistic tendencies, no need to add to the kingdom. May Yoruba Kingdom reign for ever in peace and prosperity without any incursions, amen.

    • naija man

      take the advice to ur oni

      • Omo Oduduwa

        That’s Ooni not oni dumbo, and certainly not written in lowercase! It is a title for respected monarchy, we don’t degrade it by using lowercase.

        • naija man

          ur oni is a baby

          • Tunsj

            Your comment shows that you lack respect and there is nothing I can do to help you with that.

        • okenwa

          When are you going to deport him to bini empire from where he fell from. I mean the sky from where he fell from.

  • FirecloudOFGOD

    These people have a lot of time on their hands! All that is history even if it is true. What does it matter?
    What is material today is: “What are you doing to add value to the lives of your citizens”!

    • Otile

      You don’t understand. The Yorubas are trying to form alliance eastward with a view of taking over oil territories eastward. It the people of their ancestral home in Togo and Dahomey had oil they would also be sending emissaries there to have alliance with those people. Tactics, comrades tactics. The good people of Edo most resist any overtures of evil alliance. They are coming to suffocate Edo people in the name of brotherhood. The devil is a liar.

      • Truthful

        You make laugh die.. Ha ha ha, Yoruba’s story people.. Trying to form alliances.. With all rich states… And to win elections for Apc

  • Damilola

    The old man is missing somti here. Oba was not and stiil not a peculiar title in Yoruba land. It’s a General conception for a king from time immemorial. Albeit, they’re are addressed by their revered titles that typify them. It is in this light the old man just shut himself at the leg. The Oba claim then apparently could be deduced to have been taken from the Yoruba linguistic terrain due to migration. The Oriki of Alafin Sango, and rest of Obas before and after him had always included such pronouncements- Oba. In a former sense however, they prefer the official tittle.

    Why? One could say the pride of Yoruba kings made it so. The weight of, for instance, Alaafin Oyo, rather than, Oba Oyo, Olubadan of Ibadan, rather than, Oba Ibadan, Ooni of Ife( the owner of land) rather than, Oba Ife… but these kings had always been referred to as “Oba”

    • Factsay

      keep goofing.
      actually the word oba is from the sky where oduduwa fell from

      • Otile

        No oba fell from the sky as Odua people claim. That’s a scarecrow meant to subjugate Edo people in order to form fake alliance and steal their oil. Yorubas are something else.

        • okenwa

          If they fell from sky, then their relatives are earthworm.

      • Damilola

        I’m an Historian. No matter how far you take it, there are sources of reconstructing History. Many are known, but the main when it becomes tangled is less thought of. Ifa divination by which Odudua transfered to his son and down to others did not miss that point buddy… Just a toast of the clarity my friend.

        • Factsay

          Historian on oduduwa falling from the sky.
          Keep up with ur fairly tales addiction.

          • Damilola

            If you don’t belief in some worth of fairy tales, u don’t belief u have a progenitor!!! Does my conviction form nebula to u? Take a pill and check it out. You never can tell where u learn.

          • Factsay

            U need d pill most to exorcise u from fairly tale beliefs

          • Damilola

            Ok

  • Sir Demo

    Esogban of Benin said that “the Ooni of Ife was a son of the Oba of Benin and that the Oba of Benin stool has no relationship with the Yoruba race.” Ooni is a son of Oba of Benin, but yet has NO relationship with the Yoruba race. Pls someone help out with this absolute contradiction! It is obvious this Chief received poor historical education, deficit in logic and hence not qualify to speak on the topic.

    As a last shot, I believe that elders of the house of the immediate past Oba Akenzua is still alive, let the chief consult the old among them, to educate him how he related with his Ife ancestral root. Oranmiyan left Benin in an anger to established Old Oyo, it seems the families of the great Akinorun are still at work.

    • Kickboxer

      I can see that you are a linear thinker like your people. Let me help you. Oba of Benin said that Ooni of Ife was a son of Oba of Benin to show the impact of Edo on Yorubas. So, yes, there is a relationship but it shows the direction and substance of the relationship. In all Oba of Benin showed that Edo people are not Yorubas and that Yorubas “stole” the title OBA!

      • Sir Demo

        Read your post again and see if there is any logic therein, instead of kicking every and all things. And this illogic from a multi lateral thinker like you! “There is a relationship , bla blah, but Edo people are not Yorubas. . . ” What relationship then?

        Meanwhile Who is talking about Edo people? I am referring to the Binis, twit! Or are all Deltans Itshekiris?

        • Factsay

          u have no logic at all. u have no facts or proofs. Even historical verifiable stories do not favour ur account of story.
          All u have is propaganda of moonlight fairy tale.
          We know of Oba of Bini in African History but know nothing about obas in yaribaland.
          You yaribas are sophiscatedly confused – from falling from sky to owning of Oba

          • Sir Demo

            You ain’t saying nothing.

          • Factsay

            go to bed u fairly teller.
            use ur sense and find a meaningful story to tell.
            falling from sky cant be an origin for a reasonable man

          • Kickboxer

            hahaa….he should go to “kool” his overheated brain cells, you mean

          • Julius

            He never does ! He probably just finish a hot human meat soup his mama cook for him.

        • Kickboxer

          Mr. Linear think, I knew it would take a second post to activate your brain cells so here it is.

          “There is a relationship but Edo people are not Yorubas…”

          So your point is that because the son of Oba of Bini became the Ooni of Ife it then makes all BINIS YORUBAS or all YORUBAS BINIS? If yes, then I have a quick question. Are you into cannabi smoking

          Kai….the fact that the son of Oba traveled to Ife to become the Ooni of Ife only means that descendants of the Ooni of Ife who descended from the Bini Ooni are BINIS or mixed blood BINI/YORUBA at best. EMPHASIS: only the descendants.

          Therefore, outside the descendants of that particular Ooni of Ife who was the son of Oba of Bini, the remaining Yorubas are not Binis and Binis are not Yorubas. Since you have an infantile brain let me support the explanation with an analogy, as follows. If you marry from Bini Kingdom or your son moves to Bini kingdom and raises a family over there, that would not turn the entire Bini kingdom into YORUBAS or Yorubas into BINIS!!! Yes, there is an obvious relationship.
          RELATIONSHIP, RELATIONSHIP, RELATIONSHIP: how a seemingly simple English word can confuse some Yoruba man….na waaaoooo

          • Sir Demo

            Your brain has been kicked knocked around too much. The signs are apparent in the jejunes you ve been posted. Yorubas are Yorubas and are numerous enough, influential enough, educated enough, culturally advanced enough and what have you to be seeking handshakes with unwilling brethens

          • Kickboxer

            aaahh….FIRST…stop exposing your lack of understanding on RELATIVISM…..”Yorubas are numerous enough”…relative to whom?….”influential enough”?….relative to whom?…..”educated enough”?….relative to whom…..”culturally advanced enough”…..relative to whom?

            SECOND…as a typical Yoruba linear thinker, you have jumped ship about your inability to comprehend what the revered Oba of Benin said…….”Mr. Linear Thinker & Educated Enough”

            Go get proper education…..that is what is apparently lacking….because Yorubas are turning into a laughing stock…obviously Yorubas have no iota of idea what really others think about them!!

          • okenwa

            Truely you are kickboxing them with truth and facts. I wan die with laff.

          • Profy

            Ask the Benin Kingdom…. Eweka 1 who was the 1st OBA of Benin where his Father was buried.

          • okenwa

            Have you ask your father odudua that fell from sky like earthworm whether he fell from hell or haven.

    • Julius

      I said that earlier. It makes no sense to me .lolz. I think both parties should find something else to fight about, if they are looking for a fight.

  • Factsay

    yaribas and lies/false propaganda are inseparable

  • Factsay

    Oduduwa fell from sky holding oba thrown on his buttocks

    • Otile

      They use such fraudulent claims to scare Edo people and loot their oil. Omo Edo beware o. The parasites are coming to suck_you dried. This cozy cozy brotherliness is not for nothing. Serpents in green grass. Edo is Yoruba my foot.

      • Julius

        Its easy for you to say when your whole like is about fraud. Your people came from Congo but, you hate admitting that facts. what else can come from you that will be surprising. A man without culture. Shame on you ! lolz

        • Tunsj

          I totally agree with you that the troll does not have any culture,

          • Julius

            lol@troll.No, he has no culture !. He is a congolese cannibal.lolz

          • Otile

            I don’t have a culture of claiming that Edo is yariba. Is that ok with you?

      • Tunsj

        Really? Don’t be absurd, I’ve never expect anything better from you,

        • Otile

          Challenge me with reasonable discussion, not name calling. Do you have any meaningful thing to say?

          • Tunsj

            Challenging you is a waste of time for me because everything you have said in this forum does not make any sense at all.

  • Factsay

    When your history says you fell from the sky, anything is possible.

    i mean, everything is possible in moonlight fairly tales

    • Julius

      When you have the history of eating human beings and still eating humans, anything is possible. Bunch of cannibals.

      • Factsay

        The known domains of ritualists and cannibals are in yaribaland

        • Julius

          Yea, like Okrika shrine and the human meat restaurant in Enugu !

        • Otile

          Don’t let the idiot_distract your attention from the topic which is that Fraudulent yaribas are now claiming Edo as their own. The idiot_will rather distract attention talking about their ritualistic practices and other unrelated nonsense. He will not like to face facts.

    • okenwa

      So yorubas are earthworms that fell from sky during rains. Hahahahahehehehhohohoh. I wan die with laff.

  • MammanJiyaVatsa

    To become whatever chief in Nigeria, whether high or low chief, just go and embezzle, steal, rob, divert, 419, yahoo, yahoo, be a militant, even prostitute…. the title is all incontestably yours.
    Chiefs & titles in Nigeria of today are made up of some nincompoops without nothing in their brains positively to offer the society in which they`re suppose to be useful and serve.

    During my grand parents times… yes, you need not have a dime or even a bicycle to be a chief, but in our own generation, if you can forge documents, collect bank loans and elope with it, can`t murder a human-being for money making-rituals, you haven`t a palatial mansion in the city and in the village, Scam hapless people up and down the globe, you can`t become a chief in Nigeria, even if it belong by right to your family`s clan, you`re poor, man – I`m sorry forget it.

    Chieftancy titles in Nigeria is for Sale !

    The highest bidder takes the title !

    The highest bidder must obligatorily be shady character-wise !

    • zygote

      How does this your ranting concern the topic being discussed? You must have smoked again, after taking this thing please allow your head to cool down before making comments.

  • Still

    Na Family affair .. IGBOS keep off with ur toxic comments

    The fact is nobody is denying that Alaafin of Oyo and Oba of Benin are children of Oranmiyan.

    Also i will say 100% the word OBA is Yoruba.
    No confusion about that too

    • Otile

      Then Odua people should keep their nose off of anything concerning Biafra.

      The fact is that Yorubas are trying to overpower Edo people for oil and bulwark against Biafra.

      Also I say 100% of Biafra should not be abused by Yoruba and their Fulani masters.

      • Still

        So your biafra agitation is about Oil ??
        And when did Edo joined biafra ?

        • Julius

          Oil is what its all about. That was why Ojukwu started the war he knew he cant win. He stupidly thought that the international communities wanting oil will rush to help him. Boy, was he wrong ? Oil is why they pretending to love the Ijaws but, the Ijaw people now know better. Edo people was never a part of biafraud. That was why Ojukwu invaded them. History is facts. His loser dumb ass wont know that.

        • Otile

          Oduafraud, don’t change the subject. Your fraudulent claim that Edo people are yaribas is the subject under discussion. Try to be independent and let us watch you perish to the last man. Awon odale

          • Tayo Ayodele

            Can’t you people make contributions without this resort to bigotery? Is this what you intend to hand over to your children. When will people leave the bitterness of election behind and move on with their life? Even in the election GEJ still got more than 40% of the votes in Southwest. 40% support is significant in any election. Haba!

          • Otile

            Usual dishonesty of the Yoruba. This topic is not about Jonathan or Buhari’s dubious victory. Why do you have to drag the election into Yoruba fraudulent claim that Edo is Yoruba?

            Then another idiot_will like to mention Ojukwu, Ijaw or international communities that have no bearing whatsoever on fraudulent yariba claim that Edo belongs to yariba.

          • Tayo Ayodele

            You did not disappoint, you will curse and abuse! Just know that a bigoted mind is a terribly sick mind. Good night.

      • Julius

        Moron, we get involve in your fake, scam, biafraud because you got us involve by linking your loser lives with the Yorubas not been able to establish your republic of SS ati SE.. Like I told you, if you leave us out of your miserable, futile fake biafraud, we will stay out. Kapis ?

        • Otile

          Your English is weak, you can’t defend yourself in any serious argument. Pathetic. Kapish?

          • Julius

            lolz but, u keep responding. You are such a loser, its a damn shame that a barbaric vulture cannibal like you is allowed in public. lol@English is weak. Okay o Mr oyibo. ibos are such a joke. Remember what somebody told you a while ago when you were talking about his grammar ?. I still dey laff oo !

    • Albert Tagbo

      Who said is a family affair,hope you truly recognize your family members,or you choose to appropriate other peoples family members into yours for recognition of sorts.Speak in defence or shut up forever with your perpetual distortions to stay above.

  • ceweeco projects

    The characters of some Yoruba’s are propaganda based. Maybe they are earnestly trying to replicate the APC senescent
    because they are mostly suffering from senile dementia.

    • Igwe

      you need to explain yourself in proper english instead of gibberish!

      • ezedi

        While I disagree with his monolithic characterization of Yorubas. I assure u his English is proper and easy to comprehend.
        Frankly speaking his statements are just as vile as your statements about Fanni.
        Lastly we understand ridiculousness just fine! No need for redundancy and needless lectures.

  • Igwe

    This seems to be the thread that refused to die!
    It is good that it is interesting and educational (atleast some folks comments are) and we are inclined to push it as far as it can go to see where it heads.
    Who knows, maybe it would lead us to how comical Fanni is actually the product of a human being mating with ridiculousness!
    p.S. We are not saying either of his parents are ridiculous. We are speculating that one of his parents mated with “ridiculousness” to give birth to him.

    To clarify, when we say ridiculousness we mean what you get when you look in the thesaurus and dictionary under ridiculous. Combine every meaning, etiology, example, image etc, then mold whatever you come up with and have that mold mate with a human being to give birth to a child!
    …….could happen

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    • Julius

      That is uncalled for. Shame on you !

  • Republican in VI

    Kings of ground floor mud huts without sewage systems competing among themselves again.

  • Jacky

    Those sleeping “gods” worshipped by the Binis and Yorubas (the two most fetish tribes in Nigeria) must wake up from their slumber and tell those mortals the true history of themselves. But it’s reckless for a Yoruba Oba to spark such an unnecessary controversy when nothing is actually at stake.

    • Otile

      You don’t understand. The Yorubas desperately need alliance as a hedge against the loss of Biafra. Pity them. Mention Biafra and see their violent reaction.

      • okenwa

        They should now beam their searchlights to itsheiris as binis are no go area.

  • Kickboxer

    you can have all the opinions you want but you can’t have your FACTS……Oba of Bini’s son went ahead to become the Ooni of Ife. That to all rational persons shows that Bini has significant impact or they own the Ooni stool. It never means that Binis are now Yorubas. Now, Yorubas may claim that Ooni of Ife from Bini is the father of all Yorubas and as a result claim that they are Binis too. But such a way of thinking has two fault lines. One, even if all Yorubas are descendants of the Bini Ooni of Ife, it does not mean that Binis are Yorubas as Yorubas are claiming. Two, Yorubas can’t make such a claim that they descend from Bini Ooni of Ife because Yorubas already informed us that their origin is from some guy who fell from the SKY aka Skyman) named ODUDUWA…..you see why we say that FACT IS A STUBBORN THING IT NEVER GOES AWAY…..

    Intelligent Yorubas and Nigerians should help the Oba of Bini to stop Yorubas from stealing the title of “OBA” and revert to the original names for the various kingships in Yoruba land….LET YORUBAS STOP EMBARRASSING THEMSELVES OR MAKING THEMSELVES A LAUGHING STOCK…..that is what OBA OF BINI is trying to say….hello?

    • Otile

      You bad! You puffed their pride with one simple explanation. I dey lafu in Yoruba. hohohoho.

      • Kickboxer

        you made my day bro, observing your kicks, because you are the baddest! Keep it up.

        I think that encouraging many more Yorubas, especially the abandoned youths, to grow spinal cord and honor the TRUTH/FACTS whenever they encounter it would positively improve Nigeria same way that constant electricity would.

        There is a real ‘darkness'(falsehood, lies, half-truths, & reliance on ‘technical’ intelligence) in a typical Yoruba mindset and what we need is to shine light(facts, truth, & wisdom) on the Yoruba ‘darkness’ if we get a chance. That is how to see what the Oba of Bini has doing….because if you allow Yorubas they would steal your car and return to show you the car as the only one in town as you wonder whether he has forgotten that the car was yours.

        Take a look at Obasanjo or Tinubu or Fashola trying to advise others about corruption…..as you wonder if they had forgotten that we knew where every penny they have got came from……DARKNESS……LIGHT HAS TO BE SHOWN ON YORUBA “DARKNESS” because we now have intellectual BOKO HARAM aka “technically intelligentsia.” For them they won Boko Haram in December 2015 and their padded “Budget” is caused by civil servants not incompetent APC, brainless Buhari, and “SAINT MINISTERS” that took 7 months to assemble……

      • Profy

        Otile this is not biafra matter. It passed the knowledge and understanding of your forefathers.

        • Otile

          You don’t know anything about your father and your forefathers talk less about other people’s forefathers. I hate Yoruba arrogance.

          How is it not Biafra matter? Are you people not trying to form alliance to fight Biafra? Be honest, ogbeni.

          • Profy

            Do u know ur forefather, do u know ur origin, do u know where u come from….have u ask urself why ur forefather are cannibals. Is Obi of Onitsha an igbo man. Is Obi and igbo word. Do u have a culture. When people that knows their culture, origin with an organised system are talking, U keep quiet. Even Ojukwu can’t talk when OBJ is talking. A Yoruba man singlehandedly dethrone ur master GEJ. Just common intelligence was apply during the War by Awolowo to finish ur forefathers… U r hear blabbing. Benin matter will be resolved very soon. No be today Benin OBA has been visiting IFE. OBA Akenzua visited Ooni of IFE Sijuade in ile IFE before both of them died. I can assure u this present one will still do the same before he dies.

          • Otile

            Ranting of an uneducated primitive Yoruba man. Always bragging, always senseless. Pathetic.

          • AriaFada

            Igboman! Na..wa..for you…O, you guys will fight yorubas about anything even if it doesn’t concern you. It’s like Laurel and Hardy show.

          • Kickboxer

            Of course h visited because that is Bini heritage. Bini-Esan ruled over Lagos and also installed their son as the Ooni of Ife. So, yes, Oba of Bini goes to Ife to vist his extended domain!!

          • Profy

            U see why I said dis matter doesn’t concern biafrans. So in ur Igwe structure it is the father Dat visit the son….ode. let me throw another poser to u… During Eweka reign up till 1940, Yoruba was the official language in Benin Palace. Are u aware of Dat?

          • Osa sylva

            Sorry to come into discussion with other guy. But there is something I want you to understand there is never a time Yoruba language was official language in Benin palace. What make prince oronmeyen to return to ife was because language different. He never understand bini language.

          • Profy

            @Osa u can see the more u try to justify the Benin Supremacy, the more u get confused. Now if Oronmeyen is a bini man as u said….. How come he didn’t understand his language. Are u saying Oduduwa which u also called izoduwa did not pass the message to him? So u mean ur izoduwa the missing prince did not teach his children Bini Language? I don’t think a proper Benin Prince will ever do dat. Because the bini I know pass their culture and tradition to their generation. Beside he would have waited to learn the language. Because it is a taboo in Benin for Father to leave his throne for his Son. Can the present OBA of benin vacate his throne for the Crown Prince?., This are logic my brother.

          • Kickboxer

            Mr. Linear thinker, the Bini Ooni of Ife people ar talking about is not the particular Ooni who was visited…..if any visit occurred it is the recognition of Bini Kingdom that their son originated the Ooni stool…..wow…even a kid would not require such infantile clarifications….Quota system education now has faces…that much I can say

          • okenwa

            Its not good to abuse or insult you with your mother’s pussy and that is exactly what OBA OF BENIN did. Kindly deal with it.

          • Kickboxer

            haaa….is Obi an Igbo word? stop the moronic qustion and listen to Oba of Bini who advised that Yorubas stop stealing the nam Oba.

    • Profy

      Ode… Mumu…. Ask OBA of benin Eweka where is father was buried. He will tell u is father was buried in Ile-ife. Do a proper research on the word OBA… u will know is a Yoruba word. U don’t know d history of Yoruba so u r confuse why Yoruba OBA prefer title of dere domain to the word OBA. Then ask the Benin d name they called their King before Eweka the son Oranmiyan change it.

    • zygote

      Are you saying ODUDUWA is a spider man that fell from the sky?

  • history101

    WOW , The prince was given shelter to squat for some time and by the time his host knows it he impregnated his daughter, Now i know that yoruba men being he goat they are does not start from today , it is in their DNA so why should we blame Abiola and Obasanjo , hahaha