Benin Kingdom in Edo is Yoruba territory — Ooni of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi

Oba of Benin

The Ooni of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi, on Tuesday said Benin Kingdom in Edo State remained part of the expansive Yoruba race, a pronouncement that may spark fresh rivalry and altercation between people of the two ancient kingdoms.

The monarch made the comment in reaction to a statement credited to the palace of the Oba of Benin challenging the claim by the Alake of Egbaland, Adedotun Gbadebo, that the Ooni of Ife remained the pre-eminent spiritual leader in Yorubaland and environs.

Oba Ogunwusi, via a statement by his Director of Media and Public Affairs, Moses Olafare, made available to PREMIUM TIMES, said he was not interested in any supremacy battle with anyone but that he would continue to put the records straight and avoid distortion of history from any quarters.

The monarch said going by historical evidence detailing the Oduduwa lineage, Benin Kingdom remained part and parcel of Oduduwa House.

“We in Oduduwa land have always seen and regarded our people in Benin kingdom as part and parcel of Oduduwa House. They are our brothers and sisters, coupled with historical facts to back up this position,” Ooni Ogunwusi said.

“The statement credited to the Alake of Egbaland, did not emanate from us but the reality is that as a highly experienced and well informed monarch, Kabiyesi Alake, who is a bonafide Oodua descendant is entitled to his opinion based on his knowledge and understanding of history,” the Ooni said.

“Let me emphasize for the umpteenth time that Kabiyesi Ooni is less concerned over any supremacy hullabaloo. He is only interest for now in how the sacred throne of Oduduwa can explore measures through which the collective interest and genuine unity among Yoruba and other tribes within the larger House of Oduduwa can be enhanced.

“This informed his resolve to build bridges of harmony among Yourba Obas. I am resolutely committed to how Yoruba ethnic group can restore its glory and pride of position among other ethnic inclinations in Nigeria and don’t want to be dragged into supremacy contest or join issues with anybody.”

The traditional ruler said he recalled that about six years ago, attempt was made by some people to upturn history during the launch of a book titled: I REMAIN SIR, YOUR OBEDIENT SERVANT, which he said stood historical facts on its head.

Oba Ogunwusi stated that If the position espoused by the Oba of Benin Palace in the media “is aimed at distancing our people in Benin from the South West and Yoruba, so be it.”

He however added, “We still identify with them as our kinsmen, regardless of the attempt to change the course of history.”

The Alake had, while hosting the Oba Ogunwusi in his palace on February 7, rated the Ooni as the number one monarch in Yorubaland and other territories considered part of the Oduduwa House.

In his rating, Oba Gbadebo said Oba Ogunwusi was number one of the five principal Obas in Yorubaland, followed by the Alaafin of Oyo, then by the Oba of Benin (in third position), the Alake of Egbaland (fourth) and the Awujale of Ijebuland (fifth).

But in a swift reaction on Tuesday, the Esogban of Benin and Odionwere of the Kingdom, David Edebiri, rejected the ranking, saying the Ooni of Ife was a son of the Oba of Benin and that the Oba of Benin stool has no relationship with the Yoruba race.

The Esogban said, “We wanted to discard this report as something that was not necessary at all. We do not see how the Alake of Egbaland suddenly woke up to think that the Oba of Benin is also a Yoruba Oba.

“There is no basis for such classification; Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas. It is simply unnecessary, unless they simply want to stir up an unnecessary controversy.

“We are not in Yorubaland. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial.

“For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egba land. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin.

“That word Oba is indigenous to Benin. It is only in recent times you find everybody bearing Oba. When the Western Regional conference of traditional rulers took place in Benin City in 1942, go and check the attendance, there was no other monarch in the whole of the Western Region then that bore the title of Oba, except the Oba of Benin.

“So it is an unnecessary excursion, an unnecessary attempt to turn history upside down by the Alake by classifying the Oba of Benin as third in the hierarchy of kings.

“Our own traditional history says that the Ooni of Ife was a Benin Prince who wandered from here to Ife, settled there and became the ruler there. That is the position, if they don’t know, they should send people here; we will teach them.

“We will show them landmarks. So this is unnecessary misrepresentation of history. Maybe the Alake wanted to mention a different place and not Benin.

“The monarchical rulership in this part of the world started from Benin during the era of the Ogisos. It was the son of the last Ogiso, Owodo, that wandered from here to Ife and he became a ruler there, carrying everything about the Benin monarchical system to that place. There is no basis for such classification.

“The Ooni of Ife, by historical facts, is a son of the Oba of Benin, so they are not in the same class. The Oba of Benin is the only one that answers Oba, the rest don’t. But today, we hear Oba here and there, they are all recent adaptations. I am saying categorically that the word Oba is indigenous to Benin and not to Yoruba nation.”

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  • Igwe

    “Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas”???
    Even those that can’t read will tell you the person making this statement is wrong .
    How can Oba not have something to do with Oba?? Are Benin folks so deficient in words that they can not find one to call their ruler? Why borrow Yoruba title if indeed the two sides have nothing to do with one and other?
    Please go and sit down.

    • Adnan Bappah

      You have summed it up perfectly….. It is a pity actually
      Politics has done more harm than Good to various Nigerian groups that used to be one or at least, very closely related in the past, most especially in Southern Nigeria, where groups that are obviously related would rather prefer to drive a schism between themselves, just because they want their own little piece of the political cake. Look at the North, various groups are coming together to become a larger whole, but in the South they are all shattering into splinters…… Yorubas are related to Binis and Itsekiris and Igalas. Binis are also related to Yorubas, and both groups know it.

    • Osagie Oluwakayode

      You summed up the situation perfectly…. It is a pity actually

      Politics has done more harm than Good to various Nigerian groups that used to be one or at least, very closely related in the past, most especially in Southern Nigeria, where groups that are obviously related would rather prefer to drive a schism between themselves, just because they want their own little piece of the political cake. Look at the North, various groups are coming together to become a larger whole, but in the South they are all shattering into splinters…… Yorubas are related to Binis and Itsekiris and Igalas. Binis are also related to Yorubas, and both groups know it.

      • Good one. Just looking at your two names alone assures me you are someone with a sound mind. Osagie Oluwakayode. Tomorrow morning, they will tell you OLUWAKAYODE is indigenous to Benin and has nothing to do with the Yorubas. Na so colonialism break our spinal cord for Afrika o!!

        • Osagie Oluwakayode

          Actually, I am from a small town in Ovia North East Local government, and there The Yoruba and Edo Cultures are seen as part and parcel of our community. I see no need for superiority squabbling between the two cultures, because for many of us in parts of Edo, the two are both wonderful. It does not take a genius to figure out that Iyoroba (Yoruba) and Edo cultures are sisterly civilizations, we should be looking for how to forge forward together , and not fighting over irrelevancies.

        • Osagie Oluwakayode

          Actually, I am from a small town in Ovia North East Local government, and there The Yoruba and Edo Cultures are seen as part and parcel of our community. I see no need for superiority squabbling between the two cultures, because for many of us in parts of Edo, the two are both wonderful. It does not take a genius to figure out that Iyoroba (Yoruba) and Edo cultures are sisterly civilizations, we should be looking for how to forge forward together , and not fighting over irrelevancies.

          • May you live long in happiness and prosperity. Ise! Ase!

          • Darlington

            These people are hypocrites! So, Oni of Ife want us to believe that Oba of Benin Kingdom and his people are part of Yoruba ascendency but tell Igbos in Delta and Rivers that they are not the same with their brothers in S/East by labelling them Delta Igbo and Rivers Igbo (Ikwere) using Yoruba media. Wonders shall never end. If Yoruba man in Kwara and Kogi are regarded as Yoruba, what happens to Igbos in Rivers and Delta? Divide and rule antic of Yoruba race against Igbos is hurting them now. More is still to come! Why did they abolish history in schools if not to keep propagating falsehood and lies, which Radio Biafra has helped to deconstruct…

        • Darlington

          These people are hypocrites! So, Oni of Ife want us to believe that Oba of Benin Kingdom and his people are part of Yoruba ascendency but tell Igbos in Delta and Rivers that they are not the same with their brothers in S/East by labelling them Delta Igbo and Rivers Igbo (Ikwere) using Yoruba media. Wonders shall never end. If Yoruba man in Kwara and Kogi are regarded as Yoruba, what happens to Igbos in Rivers and Delta? Divide and rule antic of Yoruba race against Igbos is hurting them now. More is still to come! Why did they abolish history in schools if not to keep propagating falsehood and lies, which Radio Biafra has helped to deconstruct..

        • Arogbo

          This is an outlandish controversy that is not helping to foster the unity of our people, but having said, I believe the Yorubas and the Edos share common affinity. The people of western binis from Ugbowo, Ugbogi, Ugbogoro, Okada, Usen, Egbata, Utese speaks fluent Yoruba and Bini languages. The Ooni of Ife and the Oba of Benin should put an end to any further discussion on this matter. I am a student of contemporary history and I know for a fact that the Yoruba and the Binis are first cousins if not biological brothers and sisters. To all doubting thomases, let’s decipher four of that names from western bini; Ugbowo means Igbo owo, Ugbogi means Igbo Igi, Ugbogoro means Igbo Ogoro and Egbata means Igba meta. I have visited all these places out of share curiosity. Now watch some fools coming out to this platform to lecture me on history that was passed to me by my forefathers.

          • Osagie Oluwakayode

            @Arogbo:disqus are you from Ovia? You just described my locality in this your write up. Do you know Egbeta town close to Okeluse?

          • Arogbo

            My brother I have been there. My brother me I know the thing wey the Esogban or whatever he called himself is talking about, one thing I know for sure be say the Yorubas, Binis and Itsekiris are cousins. Those who want to distort these historical facts are just wasting their time.

          • Arogbo

            Is not true that these people speak Yorubas? Watch our detractors coming to this platform to cause more disaffection among the Yorubas and the Edos. Respect my brother.

          • Maria

            They are yibos…the yibos are well known saboteurs. Ibos are aliens to brotherliness…they feel important when others are on each other’s throats.

          • Arogbo

            You’re 100% right Maria.

          • Arogbo

            We were told that the best Palmetto (ogoro) which is used in making kainkain (ogogoro) was brewed in Ugbogoro in the olden days.

          • Osagie Oluwakayode

            Even in Usen, the title of the traditional ruler is the “Olu Awure” of Usen, Edo state…. These days the title has been corrupted to “Elawure” ….. If you go to his palace he is referred to as Kabiyesi by his subjects. His title is the Oba Olu Ogbe the Second II. The town’s original long form name is Ode Awure , or Ode Usen, just like Ijebu Ode, Ode Itsekiri and Ode Irele in Ondo State. So you see bro.

          • Osagie Oluwakayode

            ven in Usen, the title of the traditional ruler is the “Olu Awure” of Usen, Edo state…. These days the title has been corrupted to “Elawure” ….. If you go to his palace he is referred to as Kabiyesi by his subjects. His title is the Oba Olu Ogbe the Second II. The town’s original long form name is Ode Awure , or Ode Usen, just like Ijebu Ode (Ijebu, Ogun) , Ode Itsekiri (Itsekiri, Delta) and Ode Irele (Ikale, Ondo) So you see bro.

          • Arogbo

            Please don’t hesistate to continue to contribute your own qouta to this national discourse. We need your contribution. Egbata in Yoruba means six hundred. We all should be proud of the Ooni for trying to reconnect to all of our kinsfolk home and abroad. I heard the Ooni of Ife Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi talk about the bead on his neck made in Benin and all that, we all should be proud of him. Why should anyone cast aspersion on the Ooni or the Alake integrity, these Obas are the custodians of our culture and commonality.

          • Osagie Oluwakayode

            I agree, but the Alake’s original attempt at ranking Kings was WRONG. The Binis are a great race of people with a fierce history of independence, and in my humble opinion can’t be regarded as being inferior to any Oba. The Alake fumbled, if not, there wouldn’t have been a need for all this.

          • KekeOj

            It couldn’t have been said any better. To me, I don’t see any reason for the ranking, in fact, there should be no basis whatsoever for an Oba to say such a thing.

          • Arogbo

            How about Olumoye? Is that not a Yoruba name and the people speaks fluent bini and Yoruba. The Ooni is reaching out to all and sundry. Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi is a bridge builder. I truly admire his leadership style.

        • Arogbo

          You no lie my brother!

    • Osagie Oluwakayode

      @Afrika@AfrikanEagle:disqus Actually, I am from a small town in Ovia North East Local government, and there The Yoruba and Edo Cultures are seen as part and parcel of our community. I see no need for superiority squabbling between the two cultures, because for many of us in parts of Edo, the two are both wonderful. It does not take a genius to figure out that Iyoroba (Yoruba) and Edo cultures are sisterly civilizations, we should be looking for how to forge forward together , and not fighting over irrelevancies.

      • Uwaifiokun Osamudiamwen

        You can only forge forward and work with one who is sincere and trust worthy. Not one who has a history of being a traitor and conspiring or aligning with aliens as long as his selfish interests are protected. Some say if u must dine with the devil, use a long spoon. But the wise know it is perhaps safer to bear the hunger and not dine.

        • Osagie Oluwakayode

          You accuse the Yorubas of aligning with Aliens,, care to explain how? Which region of the country has the most extensive history of dining and wining with northern elements?, Anyways, remember your Etsako brothers and know that a majority of them are muslim with northern elements

          • Uwaifiokun Osamudiamwe

            When you hide under a Benin name to propagate your crooked Yoruba agenda you need no analyst to explain your intent. This is the very reason that boy should be asked to keep quiet and learn history before opening his mouth to speak. The Bini people are not a people you can outwit. Mark my word. You v=can never outwit them. They have a strenght of character enshrined in their marrows. The present Oba who is close to his 90s is an Oxford trained Lawyer. So you can imagine how nonsensical that boy’s comments would sound in his ears. Let me stop there.

          • Osagie Oluwakayode

            Why are you deviating from the topic at hand and speaking in unrelated terms are you referring to my name? Well that is my name, deal with it. What Yoruba agenda are you accusing me of, I have only talked of unity here and nothing more. If you are looking for a fight, go and find Yoruba people, who will fight you with equal wit.

          • Uwaifiokun Osamudiamwen

            No UNITY with traitors. No unity with conspirators. No way. Go go goooooooooooooooooooooooooo….Go. Go away. Get lost.

          • lebechi adibe

            my dear young man, you are too intelligent to respond to internet fools, who have notin to offer than to say what dey dont know, pls my dear be the big boy and bow out. even if yoruba and benin are not related, d oba of benin who claim superiority should have been more matured and ignore what the Alake said. abi na everything u tell your papa he dey respond to? i can only smell frustration and anger. Oni i hail the gods for choosing a young man like you, i pray God gives you great wisdom even more than solomon, ignore those vampires pls.

          • okenwa

            You danced the music like a man and ended it like a woman.

          • James

            U are correct. I remember how the Binis dealt with the British people.

          • Maria

            He just told you the truth,… only cowards shy away from it…by the way, why are many of you moslems? Why did you fight with Nigeria and not ibos?

      • Arogbo

        Thank you my brother.

    • Darlington

      These people are hypocrites! So, Oni of Ife want us to believe that Oba of Benin Kingdom and his people are part of Yoruba ascendency but tell Igbos in Delta and Rivers that they are not the same with their brothers in S/East by labelling them Delta Igbo and Rivers Igbo (Ikwere) using Yoruba media. Wonders shall never end. If Yoruba man in Kwara and Kogi are regarded as Yoruba, what happens to Igbos in Rivers and Delta? Divide and rule antic of Yoruba race against Igbos is hurting them now. More is still to come! Why did they abolish history in schools if not to keep propagating falsehood and lies, which Radio Biafra has helped to deconstruct.

    • DanielOsazuwa

      If you don’t have anything to say, please shut your stinking crap! Probably you forgot to take your hallicunegic pills this morning. Oba is not a Yoruba word but Bini.

      In your delusional stupor, your misquoted our Esogban who said “the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy”. He made historical references yet to be controverted by the wannabes. In your fantasy world, your might as well deny the historical linkage between the Binis, Onitcha and the Ogutas.The current Oba of Lagos laid this issue to rest few year ago

      My dear, Omosovban, ekhuomwan hen ((pikin big pass you, non be curse))

      • Darlington

        These people are hypocrites! So, Oni of Ife want us to believe that Oba of Benin Kingdom and his people are part of Yoruba ascendency but tell Igbos in Delta and Rivers that they are not the same with their brothers in S/East by labelling them Delta Igbo and Rivers Igbo (Ikwere) using Yoruba media. Wonders shall never end. If Yoruba man in Kwara and Kogi are regarded as Yoruba, what happens to Igbos in Rivers and Delta? Divide and rule antic of Yoruba race against Igbos is hurting them now. More is still to come! Why did they abolish history in schools if not to keep propagating falsehood and lies, which Radio Biafra has helped to deconstruct..

      • Profy

        OK if Oba is a bini Word. What is the Meaning and why change the name from Ogiso to Oba during Eweka Reign. Atleast i know the meaning of Oba in Yoruba land. What is the meaning in Bini.
        Please also tell me the Meaning of Ogiso, Ogie and Oba in Bini Language and differentiate them pls.

        • Maria

          He wont answer you….Oba has no meaning in edo it is just a title meanwhile Yoruba is has meaning and it not a title! The same way Obi(parent) which the Onitsha people call their ruler!

        • DanielOsazuwa

          The major thing that distinguish our revere Oba from yours is that our Oba is BORN not MADE through political negotiation and benevolence of a Governor. We Binis know our next 2 Obas. You can contrive some polluted meanings to stuff you are not conversant with hence your Yoruba having meaning for Oba. Oba is Oba in Bini.

          • Profy

            I have listen with great attention all the Commentator on this forum but i want to ask this following question:
            1. The Benin Royal dynasty was formerly known as Ogiso? True or False
            2. The Benin Royal dynasty name was change to Oba when Eweka the Son of Oranmiyan become the King.
            3. Their was an undeniable fact that Eweka is Oranmiyan Son and Oranmiyan is also Oduduwa grand Son? True or False
            4. Oduduwa has a Child call okanbi who gave birth to 8 Children and Oranmiyan is the Last Son. Can Benin tell us more about the lineage of Oduduwa and where are they since they said Oduduwa or Izoduwa is from them. Beside Why would Benin Kingdom allow the son of the last born of the Grand son of Oduduwa to rule over them. This is against Benin Tradition where it is only the first Child that take over the throne?
            5. Why did Eweka the Oranmiyan son that came from IFE change the Royal title from Ogiso to Oba?
            6. In the palace of Benin during Eweka Reign and subsequent Oba up till 1940, Yoruba language was the officially language in the Benin Palace? True or False.
            7. Yoruba as a language transcend Benin Republic, Itshekiri, Brazil, Senegal, Cotedivoire, Togo and most of the West African State. How come Yoruba is that big in terms of territory and Benin Kingdom is restricted to Edo State?
            8. According to Wikipedia, Oba is a Yoruba language meaning to preside or rule . Oba ba lori ohun gbogbo.
            9. If Yoruba dont know where they come from according to some commentator, Where did Benin Royal Kingdom come from?
            10. Every tribe has 2 facts about them viz Mythology and Historical facts and Yoruba has the two.
            11. According to Yoruba mythology, Oduduwa fall from sky maybe to adore his spiritual prowess and according to their Historical facts Yoruba race come from Saudi Arabia and the Progenitor is called Lamurudu. When a mythology say someone comes from heaven it may not necessarily means he falls from the sky. For example you can refer your wife to an Angel but is she really an Angel? Funny enuf Ogiso also mean King of the Sky in bini.
            12. Do you know that Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo, Oba of Benin, Alake of Egbaland and Awujale of Ijebuland have taken picture together before. The Five them. That to me is not Ordinary. Their must be something that links the Five of them together. Just this 5 people when you have thousand of Obas in Yoruba land. Why this 5?
            13. How come Some Edo people bear Yoruba Name.
            14. Who change the name from Igodomigodo to Ile ibinu(vexation) which today is called Benin… The Answer is Oranmiyan.
            15. How come to crown an Oba of Benin the rite is not complete until he comes to a shrine in IFE.
            16. If truly Oranmiyan was called by bini to come and rule and he sent his Son instead. Can the Son throne be greater than is father throne. Alternatively it could also mean Oranmiyan transfer the sit of power to IFE and make bini his subject. It could also mean that Oranmiyan conquer Benin and sent his son to rule bcos all the Ogiso 31 of them were no longer relevant in Royal house. It is only the Eweka lineage that is entitle to the throne.

            No disrespect, I need answer one by one to all this question. Thank you.daniel

      • Profy

        Oba is the name of beaded King in Yoruba land. It means to preside or rule over. They have their local title like Allafin, OONI, Alake but all of them are beaded crown King. So the bini Man doesnt know the meaning in Yoruba Language.

      • Igwe

        Pardon us. We did not quite catch your last sentence.
        What is the word for child again? in your language.? It is not by any chance “omo”as it is in Yoruba, is it?

    • Maria

      The man even contradicted himself. He said Ooni is a descendant of Oba of benin and yet claimed benin has no link with yorubas…the man’s brain is leaking.

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  • Malik Isah

    and how does this grammar contribute to our development as a people. please, someone tell them we are in the 22nd century!

  • MC

    E be like say na palava you carry come sef. No start wetin you no go fit solve oo.

  • Arabakpura

    It amounts to kidnapping or in this case manapping to force somebody to be where he does not want to be!

    • okenwa

      And you forced biafra to be in nigeria. Where is TERRY4BRANDY,

      • Arabakpura

        You should be careful of your accusations; especially in this Era of generous award from Supreme Court! Have you ever read me say anything negative about Biafra? I could sue your ass in a virtual court you know that!

  • westernrollings

    That’s to say our teachers are wrong about what they taught us concerns myth and legend of Yoruba or what.

    • SeniO.

      Either that or we were all taught different things…

  • abiodun ogunsola

    The Bennin Kingdom is from yoruba- land or not is not causing argurrnment at all. Yoruba peoples known their origin, let Benin tells us their origin too.

    • Phillip

      Keep quiet my friend and stop lying. The Yorubas dont have any origin and they know not their origin. I challenge you to tell me who the parents of Oduduwa are? Tell me his birth place. But he is the one the Yorubas believe started the Oba dynasty and the first Yoruba man alive….and the Yoruba folklore says he dropped from heaven. Come on boy! G=How is that possible. U people shud stop disgracing urselves. The Benins preceded the Yorubas. Pure & Simple. Ask Mongo Park and Vasco Da Gama, they will confirm this fact.

    • longben

      So the yorubas originated from a randy, harem seeking, carpet flying Arabian Alladin? Are you for real?

  • Darlington

    These people are hypocrites! So, Oni of Ife want us to believe that Oba of Benin Kingdom and his people are part of Yoruba ascendency but tell Igbos in Delta and Rivers that they are not the same with their brothers in S/East by labelling them Delta Igbo and Rivers Igbo (Ikwere) using Yoruba media. Wonders shall never end. If Yoruba man in Kwara and Kogi are regarded as Yoruba, what happens to Igbos in Rivers and Delta? Divide and rule antic of Yoruba race against Igbos is hurting them now.

  • Prince Obaroghedo Osagieduwa

    The new Ooni of Ife (Not Ooni of Benin Kingdom) should stop disgracing himself and try to learn history from older monarchs instead of opening his mouth to contradict what a supreme monarch like the Oba of Benin who is old enough to be his Grandfather has said.

    Who is Oduduwa? Who is Oduduwa’s father? The Yorubas are never able to tell. Instead they tell you that Oduduwa dropped down from the skies – direct from the galaxies and sent by God to rule over the Yoruba Kingdom. Is believing this story not willful mumudity? …..but strange enough, it is from the so-called non-existent Oduduwa that the Yorubas derive the lineage of their monarchy. BUT the truth remains that on the contrary, it is the Benin Kingdom that gave Birth to the dynasty in Yoruba Land. The so-called mystical Oduduwa was actually a Benin Prince.

    The term Oduduwa is a Benin word corrupted by the Yorubas. The term ‘Eko’ is a Benin word. History is clear on this. But the Yorubas will never agree because there are no photographs, videos and written documentations of the time to support the oral facts.

    The Ooni should mind his business and focus on his oduduwa people and not make irritating statements about other independent Kingdoms like the world acclaimed Benin Kingdom. I know this is all because of oil. Sometime ago, the leader of Odua said the Yorubas and Urhobos have the same origin. Now it is the Benin people. Why is the Yoruba always looking to claim what does not belong to it?

    • Darlington

      These people are hypocrites! So, Oni of Ife want us to believe that Oba of Benin Kingdom and his people are part of Yoruba ascendency but tell Igbos in Delta and Rivers that they are not the same with their brothers in S/East by labelling them Delta Igbo and Rivers Igbo (Ikwere) using Yoruba media. Wonders shall never end. If Yoruba man in Kwara and Kogi are regarded as Yoruba, what happens to Igbos in Rivers and Delta? Divide and rule antic of Yoruba race against Igbos is hurting them now. More is still to come! Why did they abolish history in schools if not to keep propagating falsehood and lies, which Radio Biafra has helped to deconstruct..

      • Edokpolo

        Correct my brother. Don’t mind the boy. How can he just wake up and be speaking rubbish. I only hope he is not engaging in chimney-like activities.

    • Diane Hale

      Tell me who is the father of Ogisos? And where Benin Originated from?

    • Dele Awogbeoba

      I think you are confused. I think you have a case of mistaken identity. The Oduduwa what we had as king in Yoruba land is not your missing Ekalaran. If you thought he was then I dare say Benin has mistakenly taken over a different heritage. Secondly, The Oba lineage at Benin started from Eweka the son of the Alaafin of Oyo. The stool of the Son cannot be greater than the stool of the father. The Ogiso lineage died the moment Eweka to over and started the new Oba lineage.

      Up until 1940, Yoruba was the language of the court of Benin.

      One such record was Da Asia, by Joao de Barros, which provided a detailed discussion of the political and ritual kinshiIp of Benin and Ile-Ife in the precolonial past.

      www[dot]vanguardngr[dot]com/2012/12/book-serial-ile-ife-city-of-201-gods-2-2/

      “According to this interesting account, the king of Portugal, Don Joao, learned from the ambassador of the king of Beny (Benin) and also from Joa Alfonso d’Aveiro that to the east of the Benin Kingdom, about a twenty moons’ journey (about 250 leagues), “there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts called Igane. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Beny [Benin], he was held in as great veneration as is the Supreme Pontiff with us.” The informant also described a ritual link between Benin and Ile-Ife. In compliance with an ancient tradition, whenever a new king ascended the throne of Benin, the Benin sent ambassadors to the monarch to the east with many gifts to inform him that the new king of Benin had succeeded his deceased father and to request confirmation of his new status. As a sign of consent, Prince Ogene sent the new Benin king a “staff and a headpiece of shining brass, fashioned like a Spanish helmet in place of crown and scepter: He sent a brass cross to be worn around the neck, “a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the commendadores as of the Order of Saint John.” for, “without these emblems, the people do not recognize him as the lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.” De Barros reported that the ambassadors from Benin never saw the king himself, since he was always secluded behind a “curtain of silk.”

      http://www[dot]vanguardngr[dot]com/2012/12/book-serial-ile-ife-city-of-201-gods-2-2/

    • Diane Hale

      MR Prince before you mislead us .. Who is Ogiso’s Father? and where is Ogiso originated from? From the history OGISO is also dropped from the skies as you stated that ODUDUWA dropped from the skies? Guy just think with your 99% brain instead of thinking with 1% before commenting nonsense online.

    • Profy

      I have listen with great attention all the Commentator on this forum but i want to ask this following question:
      1. The Benin Royal dynasty was formerly known as Ogiso? True or False
      2. The Benin Royal dynasty name was change to Oba when Eweka the Son of Oranmiyan become the King.
      3. Their was an undeniable fact that Eweka is Oranmiyan Son and Oranmiyan is also Oduduwa grand Son? True or False
      4. Oduduwa has a Child call okanbi who gave birth to 8 Children and Oranmiyan is the Last Son. Can Benin tell us more about the lineage of Oduduwa and where are they since they said Oduduwa or Izoduwa is from them. Beside Why would Benin Kingdom allow the son of the last born of the Grand son of Oduduwa to rule over them. This is against Benin Tradition where it is only the first Child that take over the throne?
      5. Why did Eweka the Oranmiyan son that came from IFE change the Royal title from Ogiso to Oba?
      6. In the palace of Benin during Eweka Reign and subsequent Oba up till 1940, Yoruba language was the officially language in the Benin Palace? True or False.
      7. Yoruba as a language transcend Benin Republic, Itshekiri, Brazil, Senegal, Cotedivoire, Togo and most of the West African State. How come Yoruba is that big in terms of territory and Benin Kingdom is restricted to Edo State?
      8. According to Wikipedia, Oba is a Yoruba language meaning to preside or rule . Oba ba lori ohun gbogbo.
      9. If Yoruba dont know where they come from according to some commentator, Where did Benin Royal Kingdom come from?
      10. Every tribe has 2 facts about them viz Mythology and Historical facts and Yoruba has the two.
      11. According to Yoruba mythology, Oduduwa fall from sky maybe to adore his spiritual prowess and according to their Historical facts Yoruba race come from Saudi Arabia and the Progenitor is called Lamurudu. When a mythology say someone comes from heaven it may not necessarily means he falls from the sky. For example you can refer your wife to an Angel but is she really an Angel? Funny enuf Ogiso also mean King of the Sky in bini.
      12. Do you know that Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo, Oba of Benin, Alake of Egbaland and Awujale of Ijebuland have taken picture together before. The Five them. That to me is not Ordinary. Their must be something that links the Five of them together. Just this 5 people when you have thousand of Obas in Yoruba land. Why this 5?
      13. How come Some Edo people bear Yoruba Name.
      14. Who change the name from Igodomigodo to Ile ibinu(vexation) which today is called Benin… The Answer is Oranmiyan.
      15. How come to crown an Oba of Benin the rite is not complete until he comes to a shrine in IFE.
      16. If truly Oranmiyan was called by bini to come and rule and he sent his Son instead. Can the Son throne be greater than is father throne. Alternatively it could also mean Oranmiyan transfer the sit of power to IFE and make bini his subject. It could also mean that Oranmiyan conquer Benin and sent his son to rule bcos all the Ogiso 31 of them were no longer relevant in Royal house. It is only the Eweka lineage that is entitle to the throne.

      No disrespect, I need answer one by one to all this question. Thank you.yyyyu

  • Rommel

    What is Yoruba? what does this noun mean and which language is it? how can a people whose name is foreign now claim originality? 200 years ago,were there any people called Yoruba? we know of some nomads that used to call themselves Awori when the Oba Bini had his military outpost in Eko,there were nobody called Yoruba then,this name came few years ago in the days of Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther and that is the authentic history

    • Oluwaseyi

      you be mad man, who are Awori? Awori are yoruba….under yoruba tribes we have so many languages an tribes. Ewe, Ga, Ekiti, Igbomina, Ijebu, egba, Egun, Benin, Ijesha,Oyo and many more….yoruba people originated from Ile Ife. spread around the world. such as Benin, Togo,Niger- Congo, Volta -Niger, Ghana, Uk, Brazil, cuba and United state which they all believe they migrated from Ile Ife, they practice the same culture,doctrine, and follow the same linage.Yoruba are well respected and unique people.

      • Rommel

        I said the Awori were nomadic people and in case you do not know,the king of Dahomey was the one that spread the Awori people throughout the places you mentioned within the west Africa sub region when he conquered Badagry,Ketu,etc and carried the inhabitants of the places who were nomads as slaves and sold to other regents within these places while the ones in Cuba and Brazil were the ones carried across the seas during the trans Atlantic slave trade so the Awori have always been a conquered people just like the Fulani did in Ilorin,why should anyone be proud of such a shameful history?

    • Better

      @Rommel I disagree with most of comments, but for this one, your analysis are in order, in fact the word yoruba, was then properly called yaraba, yoruba emerged as a cliche during the missionary period of Ajayi Crowther, these yarabas are traitors, they will deny their biological father, now I see why out of wickedness they nearly eliminated Cowther and his family with their fulani slave masters.

      YORUBA IS A CLICHE, IT IS NOT REAL, IT IS AN IMAGINATION.

  • Jossy J

    Why are you guys fighting yourself over none issues? We are all Nigerians from different states now. They should focus on how to reduce unemployment for their youths.

    • Osamudiamwen Ighalo

      It is a some issue. This is how they try to brain wash people. If it is a none issue why is one Yoruba Oba after another attempting to claim it is part of Benin? Can a son be the parent of a father? Meanwhile the real area this boy Oba needs to focus on is Ilorin where the Fulani have driven one Oba Afonja away from the throne with bows and arrows and installed an Emir who is still on the Oba’s throne till date. But rather than fight to reclaim Ilorin obaship back from the invading Fulani, the Yorubas are looking towards Benin Empire. Do they read history at all? How can an Empire like Benin that did everything independently and traded independently from the very earliest existence of humans in the Bight of Benin (West African Coast line) be a part of Yoruba kingdom? It is completely nonsensical.

      • Jossy J

        I agree the Ooni of ife shouldn’t have made that statement at all. it is completely unnecessary and provocative. He just came me. Even his predecessor that was there for long never made such statement.

      • SeniO.

        I’m sure you see yourself as some qualified historian. Bravo! You can at least be respectful when flexing your muscle. Even the Oba of Benin will not call an 1year old king a ‘boy oba’. A king is a king.

        • Osamudiamwen Ighalo

          You have problem my dear. The one you refer to as King is your King because you are Yoruba. He is not my king. I am a Bini man. As far as I am concerned he is simply a misinformed or mischievious Mr Adeyeye who is claiming that he owns my own Bini Kingdom and the territory.- and you expect me to leap in the air and applaud that nonsensical and highly provocative statement of his? You must be out of your mind.

          • SeniO.

            And you are still very disrespectful! So, if an old man isn’t your father, you will not bow to greet him but abuse him? Your disrespect can never my problem… Na who get dead body get wahala…

          • Ochlab

            Before you have hypertension, Nigeria is now a republic. All traditional rulers are for themselves and their families and they are appointed by governors (not even the president) and can be removed by the governors. Of course, nothing says you cannot worship your Oba if you chose to.

          • SeniO.

            Interesting… I thought I had responded to you earlier. Did someone delete my comment…? Anyways, I can write it again.
            My point (obvious you didn’t get it the first time): A king doesn’t have to be your king to be respected. Everyone knows that… Also, how can you ever imagine that your disrespect is my own problem?? . Abi does it pay my bills in anyway? Na who get dead body get the wahala.

          • Profy

            I have listen with great attention all the Commentator on this forum but i want to ask this following question:
            1. The Benin Royal dynasty was formerly known as Ogiso? True or False
            2. The Benin Royal dynasty name was change to Oba when Eweka the Son of Oranmiyan become the King.
            3. Their was an undeniable fact that Eweka is Oranmiyan Son and Oranmiyan is also Oduduwa grand Son? True or False
            4. Oduduwa has a Child call okanbi who gave birth to 8 Children and Oranmiyan is the Last Son. Can Benin tell us more about the lineage of Oduduwa and where are they since they said Oduduwa or Izoduwa is from them. Beside Why would Benin Kingdom allow the son of the last born of the Grand son of Oduduwa to rule over them. This is against Benin Tradition where it is only the first Child that take over the throne?
            5. Why did Eweka the Oranmiyan son that came from IFE change the Royal title from Ogiso to Oba?
            6. In the palace of Benin during Eweka Reign and subsequent Oba up till 1940, Yoruba language was the officially language in the Benin Palace? True or False.
            7. Yoruba as a language transcend Benin Republic, Itshekiri, Brazil, Senegal, Cotedivoire, Togo and most of the West African State. How come Yoruba is that big in terms of territory and Benin Kingdom is restricted to Edo State?
            8. According to Wikipedia, Oba is a Yoruba language meaning to preside or rule . Oba ba lori ohun gbogbo.
            9. If Yoruba dont know where they come from according to some commentator, Where did Benin Royal Kingdom come from?
            10. Every tribe has 2 facts about them viz Mythology and Historical facts and Yoruba has the two.
            11. According to Yoruba mythology, Oduduwa fall from sky maybe to adore his spiritual prowess and according to their Historical facts Yoruba race come from Saudi Arabia and the Progenitor is called Lamurudu. When a mythology say someone comes from heaven it may not necessarily means he falls from the sky. For example you can refer your wife to an Angel but is she really an Angel? Funny enuf Ogiso also mean King of the Sky in bini.
            12. Do you know that Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo, Oba of Benin, Alake of Egbaland and Awujale of Ijebuland have taken picture together before. The Five them. That to me is not Ordinary. Their must be something that links the Five of them together. Just this 5 people when you have thousand of Obas in Yoruba land. Why this 5?
            13. How come Some Edo people bear Yoruba Name.
            14. Who change the name from Igodomigodo to Ile ibinu(vexation) which today is called Benin… The Answer is Oranmiyan.
            15. How come to crown an Oba of Benin the rite is not complete until he comes to a shrine in IFE.
            16. If truly Oranmiyan was called by bini to come and rule and he sent his Son instead. Can the Son throne be greater than is father throne. Alternatively it could also mean Oranmiyan transfer the sit of power to IFE and make bini his subject. It could also mean that Oranmiyan conquer Benin and sent his son to rule bcos all the Ogiso 31 of them were no longer relevant in Royal house. It is only the Eweka lineage that is entitle to the throne.

            No disrespect, I need answer one by one to all this question. Thank you…………….

        • okenwa

          Is that how your ooni dresses. In just a shirt posed like a movie actor. Anybody who calls him a boy made no mistake.

          • SeniO.

            Okay sir…

        • Okwudili

          Edomites, edo. From the time of Eri. Friends and companion, one founded kingdom(s), the other founded religious rule and independent towns as they inherited from their forebears..

          • Arogbo

            Listen to this biafran distorting historical fact.

      • Diane Hale

        Tell me where Benin originated from?

      • Dele Awogbeoba

        No one is claiming Benin Kingdom. It is said the Benin Kingdom is part of the greater Oduduwa lineage. No Oba has power or supremacy outside his own kingdom. Oba of Benin is supreme in Benin. Ooni is supreme in ife only and the Alake is supreme in Egba land only.

        The issue is was Oduduwa from Benin or was Eweka from Ife. The Oduduwa what we had as king in Yoruba land is not your missing Ekalaran. The Benin King may be a case of mistaken identity for the Bini’s. Secondly, The Oba lineage at Benin started from Eweka the son of the Alaafin of Oyo. The stool of the Son cannot be greater than the stool of the father. The Ogiso lineage died the moment Eweka to over and started the new Oba lineage.

        Up until 1940, Yoruba was the language of the court of Benin.

        One such record was Da Asia, by Joao de Barros, which provided a detailed discussion of the political and ritual kinshiIp of Benin and Ile-Ife in the precolonial past.

        www[dot]vanguardngr[dot]com/2012/12/book-serial-ile-ife-city-of-201-gods-2-2/

        “According to this interesting account, the king of Portugal, Don Joao, learned from the ambassador of the king of Beny (Benin) and also from Joa Alfonso d’Aveiro that to the east of the Benin Kingdom, about a twenty moons’ journey (about 250 leagues), “there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts called Igane. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Beny [Benin], he was held in as great veneration as is the Supreme Pontiff with us.” The informant also described a ritual link between Benin and Ile-Ife. In compliance with an ancient tradition, whenever a new king ascended the throne of Benin, the Benin sent ambassadors to the monarch to the east with many gifts to inform him that the new king of Benin had succeeded his deceased father and to request confirmation of his new status. As a sign of consent, Prince Ogene sent the new Benin king a “staff and a headpiece of shining brass, fashioned like a Spanish helmet in place of crown and scepter: He sent a brass cross to be worn around the neck, “a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the commendadores as of the Order of Saint John.” for, “without these emblems, the people do not recognize him as the lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.” De Barros reported that the ambassadors from Benin never saw the king himself, since he was always secluded behind a “curtain of silk.”

        http://www[dot]vanguardngr[dot]com/2012/12/book-serial-ile-ife-city-of-201-gods-2-2/

  • dudu

    I think the Esogban and his red shoes and bald head just want to cause needless rivalry between the binis and the yorubas simply because he sees the new Ooni as a young fellow and attempts to whittle down his influence which is quite impossible anyway given the statement credited to the Ooni. By the way, since when last did we hear Omo ‘noba nedo Erediauwa speak in public? Over a year ago? I think Edebiri is hungry for PDP contracts which he is used to for so long. I advise Edebiri and his ill-advised cohorts to stop rubbishing Erediauwa’s image, comportment and dignity and gentle-manliness for which the Oba of Benin is known and I am sure he will never condone what Edebiri had just done. Edebiri is simply irrational and arrogant!
    The Ooni has spoken, Kabiyesi, kade o pe lori o ki bata o pe lese.

    • okenwa

      In ilorin it is emir and a fulani and now in ife ooni a son of oba of benin and in lagos eko, the son of igbo yet yorubas are here claiming nigeria with nigerians.

      • dudu

        You are way out of your class, run along

      • Maria

        And Owa of Ilesha is another yigbo man…lol…Eko is no longer benin kingdom ,it is now igbo kingdom…hahahahahahahahaha….

      • tundemash

        Ooni son of Oba of Benin? What brand are you smoking ?

        Meanwhile read and learn ….. https://en.wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Oba_of_Benin

        The title of Oba was created by Oba Eweka I, Benin Empire’s first ‘Oba’, who is said to have ascended to power at some time between 1180 and 1300

        The Eweka dynasty was founded by Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent some years in Benin before returning to Ife to subsequently establish a Yoruba kingdom at Oyo. It is said that he left Benin (called Ubinu those days) in anger, for its palace intrigues and fights over power caused by the brother of the last Ogiso, as synonymous with ‘vexations’. On his way home to Ife, Oranmiyan stopped briefly at Ego, where he impregnated Princess Erimwinde, the daughter of the duke of Ego, in short order. She is then believed to have given birth to a son named Eweka (also called Owomika in bini dialect according to oral tradition). Eweka happens to be the first Oba of Benin, title associated with Yoruba Obas.

    • emmanuel

      I am sure your Oba smoked something. How can he say he oqns Benin territory? Is this not the kind of statement they said Nnamdi Kanu made? Mr Enitan Adeye must nowbe placed on handcuffs too to claiming to own territories like Kanu did.

      • Maria

        Dont you know his palace? Ode…

      • dudu

        yawning

      • Arogbo

        Nna, you be real yanmirin.

    • longben

      So according to your yoruba history, High prince Alladin figured he wanted to start a new race of people somewhere deep in the jungles of Africa, got on his JUMBO 747 mat, took flight and landed smack at Ile Ife and descended from his plane with a rope? The things you people say and write will baffle even a MORON! There is nowhere in African history where it is stated that the yorubas ever conquered an inch of Benin soil. Infact the reverse is the case as your yoruba towns and cities are named after the great ADOS (eg Ado Ekiti) who conquered and civilized a large part of yorubaland.

      Ever asked yourself why there are yorubas in South, middle and North America? They did not emigrate of their own free willl. NO, they where sold there as SLAVES by the very Kingdom you are now shamelessly trying to “own” by hook or crook. The illustrious histoty of the Benin Kingdom is the only reason your yoruba so-called rulers are telling every lie in the book to re-write commonsense history and lay claim to a kingdom that conquered and subjudicated them for a better part of Africa’s unwritten history. Your ALLADIN Oduduwa was never anywhere near Saudi Arabia, He was a run-away prine from the GREAT IGODOMIGODO who found himself in Ile Ife at the right time to rule over the yorubas by telling them rightly that he descended from the skies ( His progenitors are called OGISOs or kings of the skies) and not some childish FABLE about some Arab flying around Africa on a rope or mat, looking to start a HAREM somewhere in the dense jungles of yorubaland. Truth hurts sometimes but it must be told.

      • dudu

        You bore me dear

        • longben

          Hahahahahaha, descendants of ALLADIN the flying prince!!!!! I believe you call him AJALLA in yoruba language. BLOODY LIARS

      • Profy

        Now if Oduduwa run away, How come the Bini are are looking for him. What make him run away. Even when his Son Oranmiyan was called to rule, he sent his Son who became the First OBA in benin Kingdom. Now can the Son Kingdom greater than the Father. Logic Brother?

      • Dele Awogbeoba

        FYI, Edo never involved itself in the slave trade.

        • Jeff

          Are you kidding me Dele? Please read your history about slavery .. Longben just told you exactly how it happened…and if the story of the origination of Oduduwa is right , I would advise you check the looks and skin tone of Benin up till Auchi and that of the Yoruba, and tell sincerely which is more likely to originate from the Arab world.

          • Arogbo

            The skin tones of the people Bini emanated from their inter marriage with the Portuguese.

  • Osato

    Na small boy sense dey worry this Ooni. Make him go wash himhead with palm oil so that his comments go dey make sense.

    • Basketmouth

      You don’t abuse a monarch talk less of the Oonirisa. Your mouth is cursed and so shall it be. AASE O.

      • Okwudili

        That boy u call monarch should go back to school to learn some history or shut up before amadioha will bend his dirty month

        • Maria

          “…up before amadioha will bend his dirty month”…See illiterate who cannot spell the word mouth but says “month” asking people to go to school…You need education first. By the way…amadioha will first strike and bend your igwe’s “month”! Akindanidani ode.

          • Okwudili

            Lol u just spelt it for me. Omashe oo, but truely if that boy don’t shut up amadioha will bend his mouth

  • Chukwuemeka Umeokonkwo

    Great historians of Benin kingdom, i salute you all, may your knowledge never diminish,” isee” The Alake of Egbaland should kindly go back to history to learn the fact. Never a time in the history of the whole world was the throne of the ”OBA OF BENIN” subjected to a third position in the ranking of traditional rulers and the Yorubas be quick to note this. The position of the ”OBA OF BENIN” is supreme and cannot be ranked along other traditional rulers. Yorubas are very good in re-wrote, Nigerian history to suit their supremacy claim while in the real sense, the history of Benin and Binis are in the annals of history. What the Oba’s palace is doing is what should have been done in the time past; they had been silent for longtime and the Yorubas in collaboration with the British claimed the supremacy title over the Benin Monarchy, but it is better late than not !

  • Chukwuemeka Umeokonkwo

    Great historians of Benin kingdom, i salute you all, may your knowledge never diminish,” isee” The Ooni of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi, should kindly go back to history to learn the fact. Never a time in the history of the whole world was the throne of the ”OBA OF BENIN” subjected to a third position in the ranking of traditional rulers and the Yorubas be quick to note this. The position of the ”OBA OF BENIN” is supreme and cannot be ranked along other traditional rulers. Yorubas are very good in re-writing Nigerian history to suit their supremacy claim while in the real sense they are not, the history of Benin and Binis are in the annals of history. What the Oba’s palace is doing is what should have been done in the time past; they had been silent for longtime and the Yorubas in collaboration with the British claimed the supremacy title over the Benin Monarchy, but it is better late than not !

    • tundemash

      Meanwhile read and learn ….. https://en.wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Oba_of_Benin

      The title of Oba was created by Oba Eweka I, Benin Empire’s first ‘Oba’, who is said to have ascended to power at some time between 1180 and 1300

      The Eweka dynasty was founded by Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent some years in Benin before returning to Ife to subsequently establish a Yoruba kingdom at Oyo. It is said that he left Benin (called Ubinu those days) in anger, for its palace intrigues and fights over power caused by the brother of the last Ogiso, as synonymous with ‘vexations’. On his way home to Ife, Oranmiyan stopped briefly at Ego, where he impregnated Princess Erimwinde, the daughter of the duke of Ego, in short order. She is then believed to have given birth to a son named Eweka (also called Owomika in bini dialect according to oral tradition). Eweka happens to be the first Oba of Benin, title associated with Yoruba Obas.

    • Dele Awogbeoba

      The Oba lineage at Benin started from Eweka the son of the Alaafin of Oyo. The stool of the Son cannot be greater than the stool of the father. The Ogiso lineage died the moment Eweka to over and started the new Oba lineage. Oduduwa has no connection whatsoever with the old Ogiso heritage.

      Up until 1940, Yoruba was the language of the court of Benin.

      One such record was Da Asia, by Joao de Barros, which provided a detailed discussion of the political and ritual kinshiIp of Benin and Ile-Ife in the precolonial past.

      www[dot]vanguardngr[dot]com/2012/12/book-serial-ile-ife-city-of-201-gods-2-2/

      “According to this interesting account, the king of Portugal, Don Joao, learned from the ambassador of the king of Beny (Benin) and also from Joa Alfonso d’Aveiro that to the east of the Benin Kingdom, about a twenty moons’ journey (about 250 leagues), “there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts called Igane. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Beny [Benin], he was held in as great veneration as is the Supreme Pontiff with us.” The informant also described a ritual link between Benin and Ile-Ife. In compliance with an ancient tradition, whenever a new king ascended the throne of Benin, the Benin sent ambassadors to the monarch to the east with many gifts to inform him that the new king of Benin had succeeded his deceased father and to request confirmation of his new status. As a sign of consent, Prince Ogene sent the new Benin king a “staff and a headpiece of shining brass, fashioned like a Spanish helmet in place of crown and scepter: He sent a brass cross to be worn around the neck, “a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the commendadores as of the Order of Saint John.” for, “without these emblems, the people do not recognize him as the lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.” De Barros reported that the ambassadors from Benin never saw the king himself, since he was always secluded behind a “curtain of silk.”

      http://www[dot]vanguardngr[dot]com/2012/12/book-serial-ile-ife-city-of-201-gods-2-2/

    • Profy

      I have listen with great attention all the Commentator on this forum but i want to ask this following question:
      1. The Benin Royal dynasty was formerly known as Ogiso? True or False
      2. The Benin Royal dynasty name was change to Oba when Eweka the Son of Oranmiyan become the King.
      3. Their was an undeniable fact that Eweka is Oranmiyan Son and Oranmiyan is also Oduduwa grand Son? True or False
      4. Oduduwa has a Child call okanbi who gave birth to 8 Children and Oranmiyan is the Last Son. Can Benin tell us more about the lineage of Oduduwa and where are they since they said Oduduwa or Izoduwa is from them. Beside Why would Benin Kingdom allow the son of the last born of the Grand son of Oduduwa to rule over them. This is against Benin Tradition where it is only the first Child that take over the throne?
      5. Why did Eweka the Oranmiyan son that came from IFE change the Royal title from Ogiso to Oba?
      6. In the palace of Benin during Eweka Reign and subsequent Oba up till 1940, Yoruba language was the officially language in the Benin Palace? True or False.
      7. Yoruba as a language transcend Benin Republic, Itshekiri, Brazil, Senegal, Cotedivoire, Togo and most of the West African State. How come Yoruba is that big in terms of territory and Benin Kingdom is restricted to Edo State?
      8. According to Wikipedia, Oba is a Yoruba language meaning to preside or rule . Oba ba lori ohun gbogbo.
      9. If Yoruba dont know where they come from according to some commentator, Where did Benin Royal Kingdom come from?
      10. Every tribe has 2 facts about them viz Mythology and Historical facts and Yoruba has the two.
      11. According to Yoruba mythology, Oduduwa fall from sky maybe to adore his spiritual prowess and according to their Historical facts Yoruba race come from Saudi Arabia and the Progenitor is called Lamurudu. When a mythology say someone comes from heaven it may not necessarily means he falls from the sky. For example you can refer your wife to an Angel but is she really an Angel? Funny enuf Ogiso also mean King of the Sky in bini.
      12. Do you know that Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo, Oba of Benin, Alake of Egbaland and Awujale of Ijebuland have taken picture together before. The Five them. That to me is not Ordinary. Their must be something that links the Five of them together. Just this 5 people when you have thousand of Obas in Yoruba land. Why this 5?
      13. How come Some Edo people bear Yoruba Name.
      14. Who change the name from Igodomigodo to Ile ibinu(vexation) which today is called Benin… The Answer is Oranmiyan.
      15. How come to crown an Oba of Benin the rite is not complete until he comes to a shrine in IFE.
      16. If truly Oranmiyan was called by bini to come and rule and he sent his Son instead. Can the Son throne be greater than is father throne. Alternatively it could also mean Oranmiyan transfer the sit of power to IFE and make bini his subject. It could also mean that Oranmiyan conquer Benin and sent his son to rule bcos all the Ogiso 31 of them were no longer relevant in Royal house. It is only the Eweka lineage that is entitle to the throne.

      No disrespect, I need answer one by one to all this question. Thank you………

      • Jeff

        You don’t need an answer, because non will make any sense to you .You already had your mind made up and fenced.

        • Profy

          If I were u, I will go back to the Benin palace and seek explanation of those questions… Den u come back and discuss. The esogbon Dat is talking 1st said they are not related to Yoruba, later he said the Ooni is a Benin prince. Can u see the man is confuse even by his statement. Go back to them and ask those question. U can also do independent research. Go to IFE and go to Benin Palace and go to British museum… U will find answer to my question.

  • Kehinde

    For God’s sake. The Benin spokesman should listen to himself. First he said Benin Kingdom has no relationship with Yorubaland, then how come one of the Owodo’s wondered to Ife to become a King there? That means if my son marries your daughter, there is no relationship existing between us. Two, he came out to tell the whole World that the title Oba is native to Benin Kingdom, the man should be educated here that Oba in Yorubaland is a name to all traditional rulers wearing crowns. Each of them has a localized title, this is where he is confused because he does not understand the custom. Three, you told the whole World that the OOni is the son of Benin Kingdom, yet Benin Kingdom has no relationship with Yorubaland. I am so sorry, in trying to manipulate history to suit unnecessary pride, you betrayed yourself and showed to the whole World that you do not have the understanding of what you talked about. Four, the name “Oba” is what language? The spokesman will do well to explain the name in Benin language. Look, it is useless struggling with history or rewrite it. Yorubaland and its people do not need anything from the Kingdom, but merely stating the obvious of history. The Kingdom is just one tenth of the Yorubaland sphere of influence. The Oduduwa’s descendants in Benin Republic, Togo,Ghana, Brazil and the Caribbean have never denied their ancestral land. Do you care to ask yourselves at times what the name “Oyegun”, “Bisi”, “Bose”, “Idowu”, “Sina” and many more doing among Benin children. These facts are presented by someone not in the position of authority in Yorubaland, just for the fact that these are parts of history available to even Primary School Pupils in Yorubaland.

  • Profy

    I have listen with great attention all the Commentator on this forum but i want to ask this following question:
    1. The Benin Royal dynasty was formerly known as Ogiso? True or False
    2. The Benin Royal dynasty name was change to Oba when Eweka the Son of Oranmiyan become the King.
    3. Their was an undeniable fact that Eweka is Oranmiyan Son and Oranmiyan is also Oduduwa Son? True or False
    4. Oduduwa has 16 Children and Oranmiyan is the Last Son. Can Benin tell us more about the Children of Oduduwa and where are they since they said Oduduwa or Izoduwa is from them. Beside Why would Benin Kingdom allow the son of the last born of Oduduwa to rule over them. This is against Benin Tradition where it is only the first Child that take over the throne?
    5. Why did Eweka the Oranmiyan son that came from IFE change the Royal title from Ogiso to Oba?
    6. In the palace of Benin during Eweka Reign and subsequent Oba to a point, Yoruba language was the officially language in the Benin Palace? True or False.
    7. Yoruba as a language transcend Benin Republic, Itshekiri, Brazil, Senegal, Cotedivoire, Togo and most of the West African State. How come Yoruba is that big in terms of territory and Benin Kingdom is restricted to Edo State?
    8. According to Wikipedia, Oba is a Yoruba language meaning to preside. Oba ba lori ohun gbogbo.
    9. If Yoruba dont know where they come from according to some commentator, Where did Benin Royal Kingdom come from?
    10. Every tribe has 2 facts about them viz Mythology and Historical facts and Yoruba has the two.
    11. According to Yoruba mythology, Oduduwa fall from sky maybe to adore his spiritual prowess and according to their Historical facts Yoruba race come from Saudi Arabia and the Progenitor is called Lamurudu. When a mythology say someone comes from heaven it may not necessarily means he falls from the sky. For example you can refer your wife to an Angel but is she really an Angel?
    12. Do you know that Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo, Oba of Benin, Alake of Egbaland and Awujale of Ijebuland have taken picture together before. The Five them. That to me is not Ordinary. Their must be something that links the Five of them together. Just this 5 people when you have thousand of Obas in Yoruba land. Why this 5?
    13. How come Some Edo people bear Yoruba Name.

    No disrespect, I need answer one by one to all this question. Thank you.

    • Maria

      Whaooooo you nailed it!

    • longben

      Now imagine a few thousand BINI warriors running roughshod over a million yoruba cowards!!! I too will probably want to re-write history to hide that FACT. How did you people land in Brazil, Cuba and other foreign places? Did i just hear that “CLICK” sound?

      • Profy

        Let us even admit you are right. How come Bini was not the official language in the suppose conquered territory of Yoruba Land. I gave u example now that when Eweka was the King, Yoruba was the Official Language in the Bini Palace. is Bose, Bisi, Oyegun, Idowu also a bini Language or Yoruba. How come Bini people bear this name too. This are logic my brother.

      • Maria

        It is clear that you need help…Yorubas and benin never at war…never…Go and read your history, ode.

    • 1nigeria

      Your head dey there, na you get am, nothing do you excepts make you dey receive more blessing from your creator. peace!

  • Basketmouth

    Which history? The one handed to you by the British or the one taught you in tales by the moonlight? I have decided not to join the fray but the only thing I will say is that you guys should read the whole comment on this forum and observe the language people employed to address a ruling monarch. This will tell you the deficiency in their heritage. You should not abuse or use an unbecoming word(s) to address a monarch. It is an abomination and we should not think because Internet is a faceless forum therefore we can throw decorum into the wind. This is a forum to sell the richness of our culture not to mangle and diminish it. People must learn to be civil and respectful of culture and tradition and the rulers that are the symbol of it thereof.

    • Maria

      Ignorance and f00lishness are worrying you.

      • Basketmouth

        O yea? I wish you will say something to contribute positively to the debate from the citadel of your cerebral authority. Have a good life.

  • Maria

    Hahaahahahahahahaha….the benins are very shallow….Oba is not a title in Yorubaland…it is the Yoruba word for King. There is no king in Yorubaland with Oba as title as they rightly said. And I challenge them to name any king in Yorubaland with such title. Translated word is not title…these benin people na mumu. How come benin only has one town and yet their socalled son has an entire region or which state again you have benin people? Haahahahahahahahahahahaha… For example, in Yoruba, there is obi(kolanut), there is obi(parents)…which I think means something in igboland like Obi of Onitsha….benin people need to be educated ignorance is a disease.

    • okenwa

      And why is most yoruba towns or cities attached with igbo names.

      • Maria

        e.g?

      • SeniO.

        Most? Are you serious? Can you give examples of the so called igbo-named town/city in each of the south western states? I will like to learn from you…

      • PolyGon2013

        Liar. Nine is attached with igbo name.

    • longben

      Since you are very smart in telling names and their meanings, maybe you should tell us all your ORIGINAL indigenous yoruba name for LAGOS. EKO is EDO and LAGOS is Portuguese. Now tell us what the almighty yorubas called or call Lagos then and now.

      • Maria

        Is Lagos no longer igboland?

      • Profy

        Whether Eko is Edo or Bini….The fact remains that Oranmiyan descendant who was the Oba in Benin is one of the Ruling House in Lagos just as we have Awori too. They are all YORUBA.

        • longben

          I FEEL SORRY FOR BOTH YOU AND MARIA! GOODBYE

          • Maria

            Go and hang… mumu.

    • Jeff

      Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo is a Bini spoken language all the Kings title in Southerner are Edo Language. In Nigeria Edo has the greatest and rich culture and most influence in West Africa and powerful King in Nigeria.

      • Maria

        Who is Alafe? Moron before you post your blasphemy why dont you research ?

        • Jeff

          *****SOURCE : WIKIPEDIA *****

          NOTE : Please and I beg, No Insults . Let’s rob minds and learn together, I’m open to learning .

          The Benin Empire was a pre-colonial empire located in what is now southern Nigeria. Its capital was Edo, now known as Benin City, Edo. It should not be confused with the modern-day country called Benin, formerly called Dahomey. The Benin Empire was “one of the oldest and most highly developed states in the coastal hinterland of West Africa, dating perhaps to the eleventh century CE”,[2] until it was annexed by the British Empire in 1897.

          The original people and founders of the Benin Empire, the Edo people, were initially ruled by the Ogiso (Kings of the Sky) dynasty who called their land Igodomigodo. The rulers or kings were commonly known as Ogiso. Igodo, the first Ogiso, wielded much influence and gained popularity as a good ruler. He died after a long reign and was succeeded by Ere, his eldest son. In the 12th century, a great palace intrigue and battle for power erupted between the warrior crown prince Ekaladerhan son of the last Ogiso and his young paternal uncle. In anger over an oracle, Prince Ekaladerhan left the royal court with his warriors. When his old father the Ogiso died, the Ogiso dynasty was ended as the people and royal kingmakers preferred their king’s son as natural next in line to rule.

          The exiled Prince Ekaladerhan died at Ogheton. Oranmiyan took up his abode in the palace built for him at Usama by the elders (now a coronation shrine). Soon after his arrival he married a beautiful lady, Erinmwinde, daughter of Osa-nego, was the ninth Enogie (Duke) of Ego, by whom he had a son. After some years residence here he called a meeting of the people and renounced his office, remarking that the country was a land of vexation, Ile-Ibinu (by which name the country was afterward known) and that only a child born, trained and educated in the arts and mysteries of the land could reign over the people. He caused his son born to him by Erinmwinde to be made King in his place, and returned to Yoruba land Ile-Ife. After some years in Ife, he left for Oyo, where he also left a son behind on leaving the place, and his son Ajaka ultimately became the first Alafin of Oyo of the present line, while Oranmiyan himself was reigning as Oni of Ife. Therefore, Oranmiyan of Ife, the father of Eweka I, the Oba of Benin, was also the father of Ajaka, the first Alafin of Oyo. Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo is a Bini spoken language all the Kings title in Southerner are Edo Language. In Nigeria Edo has the greatest and rich culture and most influence in West Africa and powerful King in Nigeria.

          By the 15th century, Edo as a system of protected settlements expanded into a thriving city-state. In the 15th century, the twelfth Oba in line, Oba Ewuare the Great (1440–1473) would expand the city-state to an empire.

          It was not until the 15th century during the reign of Oba Ewuare the Great that the kingdom’s administrative centre, the city Ubinu, began to be known as Benin City by the Portuguese, and would later be adopted by the locals as well. Before then, due to the pronounced ethnic diversity at the kingdom’s headquarters during the 15th century from the successes of Oba Ewuare, the earlier name (‘Ubinu’) by a tribe of the Edos was colloquially spoken as “Bini” by the mix of Itsekhiri, Esan, Ika, Ijaw Edo, Urhobo living together in the royal administrative centre of the kingdom. The Portuguese would write this down as Benin City. Though, farther Edo clans, such as the Itsekiris and the Urhobos still referred to the city as Ubini up till the late 19th century, as evidence implies.

          Aside from Benin City, the system of rule of the Oba in his kingdom, even through the golden age of the kingdom, was still loosely based after the Ogiso dynasty, which was military and royal protection in exchange of use of resources and implementation of taxes paid to the royal administrative centre. Language and culture was not enforced but remained heterogeneous and localized according to each group within the kingdom, though a local “Enogie” (duke) was often appointed by the Oba for specified ethnic areas.

          My Personal Conclusion : (***Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo is a Bini spoken language all the Kings title in Southerner are Edo Language. In Nigeria Edo has the greatest and rich culture and most influence in West Africa and powerful King in Nigeria***) ….. Since Oni of Ife is a Bini spoken language, Oranmiyan must had been one of the descendant of the Ogiso dynasty, who travelled and conquered the Yoruba inhabitants of Ife,became there king and came back home to pay hommage, gave birth to Eweka and the use of Oba came into being from Yoruba language,base on his time at ife , (and he might be the one who even named it Ife after he conquered it).And Oranmiyan came back to Ife , because he couldn’t put up any more with the vexation (ile-ibinu) of his original people, because he’s now so used to the Yoruba lifestyle

        • Jeff

          We don’t learn by insults Maria or whatever your name is . It only shows how ignorant and empty you are . We learn from ourselves, and that’s the basis of leaving. No man or woman is an island. Whatever your opinions on this matter, it’s as a result of what most have been passed down to u from time, you weren’t there , neither was i…. please let’s share ideas,opinions maturely without being rude or showing in public our home training .Thanks

    • Dele Awogbeoba

      There is no need to insult the Bini people. They are our people. The Alake had no right to suggest the oba of benin is inferior to any one. Every Oba is supreme in his own domain. That said, the history as stated by the Benin palace is fantasy.

      • Maria

        Ok thanks. But it’s ok for binis to insult others.

      • Felix

        I guess the Bini Kingdom history as also documented in british archives and european museums which by far outdates yoruba culture is also fantasy, right?

    • Pointitout

      In all these ranting, you have failed to tell us where Oduduwa came from. The Binis say he was a prince of Benin. Where is Oduduwa from? You say he is from the sky right? Does that sound logical to you?

  • Lawrence Onwuaso

    I am more in agreement with the Bini side of the story judging from the fact that there were times in the past when the Yoruba Obas (especially that of Lagos)were taken to Benin for burial.

    • Maria

      In what history? Please provide the source. How come original title of benin king was ogiso?

      • Profy

        Maria the fact is that one of the Ruling House in Lagos is actually from Benin Kingdom a descendant of Eweka, The son of Oranmiyan. The overall effect is that it is still Oranmiyan descendant that becomes King in Lagos and that is still YORUBA.

        • Maria

          I was told of a town in osun state where the three ruling houses are from 3 different nearby towns.When the king passes on, the next royal house to produce the king sends the selected person to be installed as king. Till date that is the tradition… and those ruling houses consider the town as their ancestral home but now rooted in those other towns. According to history…those ruling houses went to those town to live in order to preserve themselves from enemies.

      • Profy

        Please help me ask them How come the title of Benin King was change from Ogiso to Oba when Eweka become the King.

    • tundemash

      Can you please name the Yoruba Oba that qwas tkej to Benin for Burial ?

      Meanwhile read and learn ….. https://en.wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Oba_of_Benin

      The title of Oba was created by Oba Eweka I, Benin Empire’s first ‘Oba’, who is said to have ascended to power at some time between 1180 and 1300
      The Eweka dynasty was founded by Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent some years in Benin before returning to Ife to subsequently establish a Yoruba kingdom at Oyo. It is said that he left Benin (called Ubinu those days) in anger, for its palace intrigues and fights over power caused by the brother of the last Ogiso, as synonymous with ‘vexations’. On his way home to Ife, Oranmiyan stopped briefly at Ego, where he impregnated Princess Erimwinde, the daughter of the duke of Ego, in short order. She is then believed to have given birth to a son named Eweka (also called Owomika in bini dialect according to oral tradition). Eweka happens to be the first Oba of Benin, title associated with Yoruba Obas.

  • Dazmillion

    Where is Femi Fani-Kayode in all this?

  • Maria

    You see iyanminirins now telling Yoruba and Benin history….these animals are so so idi0tic.

    • longben

      Doing what you know best. Dragging in IBOS to cover your dirty lies because you have been caught out. Leave Ibos out of this. I really wonder if people like you will want to live in Nigeria minus the Ibos or Biafra. Left alone to face the Hausa-Fulanis all by yourself, you and your folks will wilth and be trampled under and be eternally subjugated. No wonder y’all fight so hard to keep your so-called “Iyanminrins” as a buffer against Hausa-Fulani domination. Illorin is a clear pointer to that FACT

      • Maria

        Iyanminirins are no buffer to no one….iyanminrins are everywhere in Nigeria without which they would all have perished. Iyanminrins were slaves to ijaws and benin people. You wonder why benis did not join you to fight against Nigeria? Or why did your ikwerre people not join you to defeat Nigeria? Even Wike ordered biafraud agitators to vanish in Rivers. By theway, have the ikwerre and ijaws returned your property? Igbos are a conquered tribe in Nigeria.

        • longben

          Answer my question. Would you want to live in a Nigeria without the IBOS? Would you want to live in a country where the to major tribes are Hausa-Fulani and Yorubas? Answer that simple question HONESTLY and stop trying to drag everybody into the argument.

        • Lawrence Onwuaso

          @ Maria please, keep to the topic under discusssion. Its not about the Igbos here but Oduduwa and Bini kingdom.if you are Yoruba, then tell us why the are from the Oba’s palace is false.

        • longben

          And by the way, i am ESAN from Ubiaja EDO state and not Ibo or Biafran. Now answer my question truthfully!

          • Okwudili

            There is nothing wrong with Nsan Nation joining as long as the bastard yorubbers are not involved

          • SBA

            Now I know that the Igbos are the most tribalistic people in Nigeria. I wonder how this nation will look like the day an Igbo man becomes the president of Nigeria. What a shame. You and your people are spread across the country yet you see nothing good in other tribes. You and your fellow tribes men will die of Yoruba phobia.

          • Maria

            I care less about where you come from according to you…the subject is about ibos wading into issues that do not concern them. I just wonder why you are denying your people who you are seriously defending…This is the problem I have with hypocrites like you…You dont want to be identified as ibo or biafran…yet you are here wailing…and jacking up your BP…. common! For me, I dont want to see ibo on my father’s land everyone should return to his father’s land.

          • longben

            You are not an empty barrel, you are worse! I make haste to apologize to everyone here for bothering with you. You are a disgrace to anything that has a wee bit of intelligence in it and that includes an empty barrel. Atleast it can make some noise

          • Maria

            Hahahahahahaha…I deflated you…. that is the best way for an idi0t to save his face.

          • All Trust

            Ewu awusa. Shame on you. Answer the question and allow the Igbos be. Why being so obsessed about the Igbos!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Maria

            If igbos will not put their dirty mouths in what does not concern them.

          • Maria

            The first ewu awusa was Zik then that m0ron called Ekweme… and yibos became ewu ijaws…akobata ijaws.

          • Ade

            The Yorubas indeed came from the Middle East and that is why they have their cousins along their route in Bornu (the Kanuris), Kogi (the Igalas, Nupes and even to some extent the Ebiras). All of these people have similar culture with the Yorubas. Some of the Kanuris wear the same tribal marks with the Yorubas and also wear the same outfits. The Igalas even have lots of Yoruba words in their language. This is a major evidence nobody can fault. These cousins were those that dropped or stopped along the way as they moved in the ancient period.

          • Better

            Can you win ilorin back from fulani, can you. can you usurp kogi from bello by puny faleke, yaraba witch.

          • Maria

            Yorubas are minority in Kogi…ordinarily those okun were supposed to be part of ekiti state and not kogi but the military ceded them to Kogi. By the way, your landlocked igboland, when will you people claim back PH? Mumu… common conquered idiots. Your landlocked jungle, a place where people dont prosper which explain why you all always move around like locusts.

          • Better

            Witch of yaraba, yarabas are from togo and bene republic, have you stayed in kogi before, that you speak yaraba does not make you yaraba. The igbos in PH are still in PH and igbo is used more go and ask duncan mighti. You think you can try your shit in kogi by imposing faleke, usurpers.

          • Better

            We know the people who do not prosper and they are the yorubas- area boys.
            For you consumption savour some Igbo achievements.

            -Dr Chike Obi is the first sub-Saharan African to hold a doctorate in mathematics.
            -Emeagwali received the 1989 Gordon Bell Prize for an application of the CM-2 massively-parallel computer.
            -Chief of the Air Staff, Air Vice Marshal Sadique Baba Abubakar has applauded the management of Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Company for its support to the military by providing technical support that has enabled the Nigerian Air Force to sustain its operations against the Boko Haram insurgents.

            Witch who owns Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing?
            Your shitty mind will say; the yorubas.
            Yaraba witch.

          • Maria

            So, who was the first to earn PhD? Hahahahahahahahahaha…when did your father earn his own PhD?

          • Better

            As your mother.

    • Better

      Slaves, when fulani general alimi chased your dirty ass from old oyo in ilorin, you ran like cowards and started grabbing forest lands that belong to the Igbos in the south west, why cant you dare fulanis and say ilorin is yoruba land. yoruba is a cliche.

      • Maria

        I am sure you know there are Yorubas in Kogi….and we also learnt igbos used to own PH before they were enslaved and chased away…till date igbos still cannot claim their property in PH…cowards. Recently in guise of IPOB protesting in PH, wike chased them away again…hahahahahahah mumu.You guys are conquered slaves.

        • Better

          Dummmy there are no yorubas in kogi, nor in rivers the name rotimi and any other yoruba name in ph are used by sierra leone slaves who come in to port harcourt through bight of benin. yORUBA IS YARABA, The word yaraba was changed to yoruba during Ajayi Crowthers era.

  • Dele Awogbeoba

    The Oduduwa what we had as king in Yoruba land is not your missing Ekalaran. The Benin King may be a case of mistaken identity for the Bini’s. Secondly, The Oba lineage at Benin started from Eweka the son of the Alaafin of Oyo. The stool of the Son cannot be greater than the stool of the father. The Ogiso lineage died the moment Eweka to over and started the new Oba lineage.

    Up until 1940, Yoruba was the language of the court of Benin.

    Interesting. One such record was Da Asia, by Joao de Barros, which provided a detailed discussion of the political and ritual kinshiIp of Benin and Ile-Ife in the precolonial past.

    www[dot]vanguardngr[dot]com/2012/12/book-serial-ile-ife-city-of-201-gods-2-2/

    “According to this interesting account, the king of Portugal, Don Joao, learned from the ambassador of the king of Beny (Benin) and also from Joa Alfonso d’Aveiro that to the east of the Benin Kingdom, about a twenty moons’ journey (about 250 leagues), “there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts called Igane. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Beny [Benin], he was held in as great veneration as is the Supreme Pontiff with us.” The informant also described a ritual link between Benin and Ile-Ife. In compliance with an ancient tradition, whenever a new king ascended the throne of Benin, the Benin sent ambassadors to the monarch to the east with many gifts to inform him that the new king of Benin had succeeded his deceased father and to request confirmation of his new status. As a sign of consent, Prince Ogene sent the new Benin king a “staff and a headpiece of shining brass, fashioned like a Spanish helmet in place of crown and scepter: He sent a brass cross to be worn around the neck, “a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the commendadores as of the Order of Saint John.” for, “without these emblems, the people do not recognize him as the lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king.” De Barros reported that the ambassadors from Benin never saw the king himself, since he was always secluded behind a “curtain of silk.”

    http://www[dot]vanguardngr[dot]com/2012/12/book-serial-ile-ife-city-of-201-gods-2-2/

    • longben

      And how does your post here answer the question of Oduduwa’s origin? The link between Ile Ife and the Benin Kingdom was and has not been denied by anyone. The question here is where did Oduduwa come from? Benin or Saudi Arabia? How you people keep pointing at the sky and and making ludicrous claims about something YOU KNOW is a LIE is what baffles people here.

      My grandmother told me that the first animal that landed on the earth was a tortoise sent by OSANOBUA to dig up the earth and make it possible for farmers to plant crops. How true is that?

      • Profy

        Ode…Falling from the Sky is mythology which have explain earlier. Benin people also have mythology. Oduduwa is a migrant from Saudi Arabia. the Progenitor is called Lamurudu. Before Oduduwa arrive IFE, they have indiginous people.
        Before Eweka become an OBA in Bini, they have indiginous people too. Infact the traditional title OF A kING before the arrival of Eweka is Ogiso.

        • longben

          And what is the meaning of OGISO? MUMU

          • Profy

            U need to go and ask ur grandma. Why did they change it to OBA. Answer all my question.

            Or u dont have answer for them: let me repeat few ones for u again:
            1. Why are bini people bearing name like Bose, Bisi, Idowu, Oyegun.
            2. Why did Bini Kingdom adopt Yoruba Language during the reign of Eweka the Son of Oranmiyan.
            3. Why did Oranmiyan refuse to ascend the Bini throne and instead sent his Son and prefer to remain in OYO.
            4. Can the throne of a SON be greater than the Father.

            Just a simple logical question. Talk to ur grandma and sometime u can be inquisitive. U dont have to be proud to refuse to reason logically. Yoruba never say the Bini Kingdom was conqured. In fact the choice word is that the Royal Kingdom is related to them.

          • Jeff

            Or u dont have answer for them: let me repeat few ones for u again:
            1. Why are bini people bearing name like Bose, Bisi, Idowu, Oyegun….Answer : These names are borrowed names and were given from the time of Eweka and never before and the reason you will read below …And please don’t forget Edo has boarder with Yoruba clans.
            2. Why did Bini Kingdom adopt Yoruba Language during the reign of Eweka the Son of Oranmiyan… Answer : Because of his father Oranmiyan,who is a descendant of Ogiso, he was a powerful warrior who conquered the Land he later named ife (which is derived from Benin laguage) and was their king, he returned home to Benin,where he fathered a son named Eweka.He was by then so used to the days and language of the Yoruba, that he communicated with his son in Yoruba and thus, adopted Yoruba language in the kingdom during the reign of Eweka.
            3. Why did Oranmiyan refuse to ascend the Bini throne and instead sent his Son and prefer to remain in OYO… Answer : He gave up the throne to the son and went back to Ife , because he was no more used to the Vexed nature of the bini people and was so used with the lifestyle of the Yoruba’s (was a matter of choice of comfortability) .he even named that area ile-binu .
            4. Can the throne of a SON be greater than the Father…Answer : in this case YES … the throne Eweka sat on was the throne of even the fore father’s of Oranmiyan ( The Ogiso’s) and the Main throne from which other throne in the Yoruba land and beyond came into being.

          • Profy

            Hahahaha hah. Am laughing in Benin language. U just shot urself on the foot. Ur so call ogiso was conquered and the Oba ship was started by Eweka the son of Oranmiyan. Their are over 31 clan to Ogiso but immediately Eweka become the Oba… The kingdom ruler and lineage become one and the throne is perpetual to Eweka clan alone. Oduduwa was never a prince in Bini. One account of a Bini say he is a voodoo ritualist. How will u replace ur language for a foreign(Yoruba) language if ur assertion is true. Bros wake up. Bini Kingdom belong to Yoruba. Yoruba Language was official language from Eweka up to 1940. That can never be a coincidence my brother. Does it make sense to leave ur throne for ur Son. I think it should be the other way round. That is the only logical thing to do.

          • simssoon

            Yeah they adapt those names matbe because the king rule beyond Edo,he controles most of the yoruba speaking areas.
            Again Oranmiyan may refuse because he understand the culture and since he left he has no moral right to rule the kingdom again otherwise he will die.

          • Profy

            Not logical. I would rather take my throne than ask my Son to rule over my throne. That means Oranmiyan has desecrated Benin Kingdom to lower Kingdom. That’s the meaning my brother.
            In addition, it could be that Oranmiyan shifted the Kingdom to Yoruba land while Benin become his subject bcos since the coming of Eweka to the throne, all other Ogiso ceased to exist. Remember from the time Eweka took over, only Eweka lineage was entitle permanently to the throne.

            So am even using ur argument to discuss with u logically now.

          • Diane Hale

            Wait ooo @longen The Edo people, were initially ruled by the Ogiso (Kings of the Sky) dynasty who called their land Igodomigodo according to wikipedia.

            Oduduwa was Olodumare’s favourite orisha, and as such was sent from sky to create earth the first place to touch is Ile ife according to wikipedia

            Oranmiyan was the grandson of Oduduwa a fearless warrior that ousted the Ogiso dynasty and conquer Benin Kingdom. Shortly afterwards, the Eweka dynasty was founded by Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent some years in Benin before returning to Ife to subsequently establish a Yoruba kingdom at Oyo. It is said that he left Benin (called Ubinu those days) in anger, for its palace intrigues and fights over power caused by the brother of the last Ogiso, as synonymous with ‘vexations’. On his way home to Ife, Oranmiyan stopped briefly at Ego, where he impregnated Princess Erimwinde, the daughter of the duke of Ego, in short order. She is then believed to have given birth to a son named Eweka (also called Owomika in bini dialect according to oral tradition). Eweka happens to be the first Oba of Benin, title associated with Yoruba Obas.

            Edo people and Yoruba people got things in common. But from the history the title Oba of Benin originated from eweka1 which to be son of oranmiyan a grandson of oduduwa.

            From this anaylis Bini is part of Yoruba.

            Danny from Sapele Warri.

          • Pointitout

            If I take you by your words, if the Oba is from Oduduwa, just the Oba, what makes the rest of the Binis Yorubas? Like I said, the fact that the Emirs are Fulani by origin does not make the Hausas Fulanis. Look at the ancient map of Africa. There was no name Yoruba Kingdaom there but Benin featured prominently and they even name the part of Atlantic ocean bordering us as Bight of Benin. Benin has got a rich history dating back to over a thousand years. The secret of Benin bronze casting is only known in Ife where their son went to but prominent in the whole of Benin. Does that tell you something? Get your facts right. Benin is an older Kingdom known all over the world as fearless warriors who conquered far and wide up to your present Yoruba land to border the great Ghana Empire. Lagos was their war camp and the Oba of Lagos acknowledges that.

          • Diane Hale

            You never answer my question. Who is the father of Ogiso?

          • persona

            I will try to pointout some things to you.
            1- Go back to the pictures of both kings, do you see the similarities of the covering on their heads?
            2- You have a pint, if the oba is from Oduduwa, that does not make everyone from his stalk but it does establish his leadership over them. Not every Lagosian is from Lagos, the Eleko of Eko is the de-facto head nonetheless.
            3- The Binis has serious help with their history because bronze making was what attracted the whites to them and till date, they still go there to see the terracotta works from the ages. The fact the whites too interest definitely put them on the map than Ife where the art was already not celebrated as much as bini then.

          • Maria

            You claim you are esan…remember? Now with the history of how Oba of benin came to be and how to install oba of benin, authorization had to be sought from the Yoruba monarch, I hope you understand….yeye man… APC chairman is Odigie Oyegun….how come he bears Yoruba name(Oyegun)? Or Oyegun is a benin name?

          • jamajake

            What is the meaning of Oyegun in yoruba?

          • Maria

            “Oye” means chieftancy…”gun” means straight, perfect, etc…Hope that helps you.

          • Better

            Liar gun means long in yoruba, gun lo means straight. perfect has no word in yoruba.

          • Maria

            I am sure you are not Yoruba…can you tell me the meaning of Igba(Calabash), Igba(200), Igba(time), etc… gun(mi) means what I said in the context of oyegun… just as gun(do) means long…I laugh when some animals think they understand Yoruba…an eboe man call toro, tolo and thinks he understands yoruba…hahahahahahaha.

          • Better

            before you were born I taught your fathers yoruba, and you forgot to add igba – garden egg.

          • Maria

            How come you now claim “gun” only means long? Animal….eranko akindanidani. Obo lagido.

          • Better

            You lack sense, if you want to learn, ask humbly and I could teach you more, leaner.

          • Better

            Etu Obejere, inaki, eranko jatiti, what other lies do you have to spew, if all you can do is smuggle Igbo into your vocabulary and relate it to forest and weed. olosha, olosho, aje.

          • Maria

            Bishop Ajayi Crowder first translated English Bible to Igbo….hahahahahahaha…

          • Better

            Bush pig, point of correction what Ajayi Crowther learned in sierra leone was Isoama a sierra leone corrupted igbo vernacular it was rejected by the Obi of Abor and Jonas his assisted stayed back and learned Igbo proper which he later taught Crowther, hello Jonas was the one that did the work of the translation.

          • Better

            That is prove that yoruba is not well developed language, it lacks the grammatical structure and quality found in well advance languages, like Hebrew, Igbo and languages your feeble mind will not be able to grasp.

            This is the reason most of your vocabulary is filled with stolen words from the Igbo grammar.

            In case you want to bring the argument that Crowther wrote an Igbo book, it means you have been scammed. What he spoke and wrote in is called Isoama (an adultrated slang spoken in Sierra Leone mixed with boorrowed Igbo words).

            Yoruba is a cliche.

          • Maria

            Idi0t….that was after he translated Bible to Yoruba and no igbo was capable of doing so…. what is advanced in yeye igbo language that is only spoken in one corner of Nigeria? You must be a goat… Yoruba language has been spoken thousands of years before ijaws brought their slaves called igbos into the present day Nigeria… Yoruba is spoken in Cuba, Brazil, USA, Ghana, Togo, Benin, Ivory Coast, Trinidad and Tobago, Europe and many countries long before igbo and Yoruba had any contact whatsoever….Igbo is only spoken in a landlocked corner of Nigeria…. tell us other country where your language is spoken….tell us. Igbo is advanced yet could not even make its way into BBC as an African language of choice…. lol…. Igbo language is such a crude…unrefined language like those spoken by jungle monkeys.

          • Maria

            …..wikipedia…..
            Crowther began translating the Bible into the Yoruba language and compiling a Yoruba dictionary. In 1843, a grammar book which he started working on during the Niger expedition was published; and a Yoruba version of the Anglican Book of Common Prayer followed later. Crowther also compiled A vocabulary of the Yoruba language,[12] including a large number of local proverbs, published in London in 1852. He also began codifying other languages. Following the British Niger Expeditions of 1854 and 1857, Crowther produced a primer for the Igbo language in 1857, another for the Nupe language in 1860, and a full grammar and vocabulary of Nupe in 1864.

          • Maria

            and yet you do not know “gun” also means straight or perfect? I guess you were teaching your migrant igbo kinsmen in Yorubaland not omo onile

          • Better

            That is prove that yoruba is not w well developed language, it lacks the grammatical structure and quality found in well advance languages, like Hebrew, Igbo and languages your feeble mind will not be able to grasp.

          • persona

            gun in this context means settle, firm, established, constituted, stamp. It is a short for of Oye “gun”le.
            It means that there was a contest for supremacy or a statement of affirmation that he stamps his authority here.

          • Better

            Then it means yoruba or yaraba is not a well developed language, yoruba lacks proper grammer and it is extremely ambigous.

          • persona

            Are you having issues with lexicon now? You were arguing earlier about you teaching it, so you were teaching what you don’t appreciate…was that to put food on your table or just that your lies fell apart?

          • Better

            You are a dummy, you start an argument without considering the premises, as per the issue of food, I can infer that you must be a hungry goat, but try not to eat raw cassava.

          • persona

            I am very vast in the language and I I have a very rich structure and interpretation. The same thing is sent to you is what I put there and others appreciated it, you chose to denigrate same. Its your right but those who know I was right know and yet you chose to see it otherwise and launched an assault to discredit the richness of a language which is so structured that tone marks are used to differentiate words with same spelling. Will you fault the English “Read and Read” which one can be present and another past? Will you fault when vowels and non vowels choose to use “a” and “an” interchangeably? “An” Hospital and “A” Unicorn? Every language has what is called syntax and it is even carried over in computer programming. Please everything I do is seen from a broader angle and not some myopic prism as you may think.

          • Better

            You seem to want to tread with caution, indulging in self-praise is a trait you exhibit easily.
            I will choose to ignore and possibly forgive any insult from you, because you have accepted the path of reason as can be seen from the signals from your grey matter.
            My advise to you is that you should not take sides with that witch using the sweet name of Maria to propagate her hate for the Igbos or any other tribe in the global world.
            Ubuntu.

          • persona

            Oga, back out if you want, you my friend are not shrink to know my train of thought. I have no exchanges or contribution to non cerebral discuss.

          • Better

            I see you are a moron, and dabble into issues that will consume you, your growing mind wants to be consumed by foolishness.
            Falling in love with a witch on the net is a very dumb act you are engaging in.
            Your senses are feeble and you seem to give away scents that will make tracking you easy.
            Since you choose not to heed to advice – aja to ma sonu ko le gbo fere ode; feeble yoruba coward.

          • persona

            Coward you say and yet you wrote the language fluently. You came here claiming to teach the language, I assume you learnt it so well to have loved it. Guy, you are a shame to what a grown up should be. You talk of tracking…you must be delinquent. Your multiple personality is definitely eating you away and you feel you are the police man of the web abi….hahahaha. You are what is called a troll. Now buzz off before I unleash on you a bitter pill you will never forget. You suppose I am like you pandering towards ethnicity? Waka pass abeg.

          • Better

            Your comment is weak and lame, you can piss on it and lick it. Hermaphrodite moron.

          • Better

            Hug transformer and spill your cerebral discuss on your shit.

          • Better

            In summary, is an incomplete language.
            Yoruba language lacks the grammatical structure it needs to perform well.
            I can see a lot of ambiguity in your weak effort of trying to prove your feeble point.

          • persona

            Every language has abbreviations and that is what apostrophes are for. The Yoruba language chooses to either use apostrophe, concatenate or just terminate it so as to conceal a deeper meaning.
            Dele is an example, Ola is another. the full is Oladele and it conveys better meaning but both can stand alone. If you taught as you claim, you will know that your attack was downright feeble or your lies fell apart. It is often said that abuses are what everyone learns first and you did that attacking Maria o that is what you probably taught others.

          • Better

            Keep your assumptions and insults to yourself, if you choose to defend that witch hiding behind the sweet sacred name; then you must be moron.
            Abuses are the first thing you learn in yoruba like koni dafun baba eh, oni se orire, oloriburuku, and more.
            If you want to be civil and well mannered unlike that witch, tread with caution and stop supporting that witch who is an ethnic nazi.

          • persona

            You’re the one that said you taught those before her and you clearly said you are not Yoruba.
            Everyone knows that foreigners learn abuses first in every language in the country. Is there anything I said that you didn’t say?
            I am not in any contest with anyone, I neither support anyone but hold my arguments on solid grounds. If memory serves me well, you also called her uncomplimentary names. Should you who should by all mean with a good name “Better” go down same path when you can be “Better”?

          • Better

            You must be a moron like I typed earlier, well since you need direction follow that witches comment trail and shame your conscience if you don not find any hate or derogatory comment posted by the witch.
            Two faced hypocrite; better for you to reason, before you burn.

          • persona

            Didn’t you just call her a witch like you did then? You are using same derogatory words and it seem as though you are the hypocrite here using a standard to judge one while grandstanding.
            Call me whatever you decide, read and learn as I said I am not supporting anyone and I stand alone. Your arguments pales when you result to name calling.

          • Better

            Read my comments below , and learn not to take sides.
            Be careful with your choice of words and stay out of things you don’t understand.
            How do you know whether the witch’s gender?
            Be warned.

          • persona

            So na threat now? You are full of it(whatever it is).
            What don’t I understand? You on the other hand pick battles you know nothing about. I wil;l not contest anything in your area of strength just to be read. Try to pick your battles wisely. All I did was to use your very words to address you and it seem to have fallen on your wrong side.
            Will you deny that you cursed her? You have called my moron and yet I refrain from doing same to you because I am not one and that sets us apart clearly. If you cant take the heat, just waka pass.

          • Better

            The battles you should fight is with your self and the witch you are supporting.

          • Better

            Na you be the witch?

          • persona

            Actually “gun” in this context is the short form of gunle…which literally means settle, constituted, established. So Oyegun means: The Settled(constituted, established) Chieftaincy.

          • Maria

            Thank you my brother.

          • Better

            Yoruba is a cliche. There was nothing called yoruba until Ajayi Crowther formed the word from yaraba- hausa for bayajidas bastard son. Remember yaraba was one of the banza bokwoites.

          • Maria

            Idi0t why dont you keep your dirty mouth shut if you have nothing concrete to say? Like the word igbo was coined by the same ajayi crowder for you…igbo which meas weed was coined for you and that is what you are called till date. This explains your affinity with weed and cocain. What about that?

          • Better

            Monkey go and read more, illeterate, yorubas are always fond of stealing and using vocabularies they steal from the Igbos.

            Cocaino and weed was first trafficked by the yorubas go and ask buhari he will teach you .

          • Maria

            I hit the idi0t in the eyeball.

          • Better

            oju baba re lo ma fo. oba furo iya re.

          • yukkmouff

            LWKMD…….please take it easy oo, today is Ash Wednesday and 2016 is meant to be the year of forgiveness.

          • Better

            Friend or foe, declare your side. I dont like it when a witch will use the sweet name of Maria and spread hate messages.

          • yukkmouff

            My brother I tire oo. I just don’t understand why one would use such saintly name and be so full of hate at the same time.

          • Ena

            Oyegen is a Bini name meaning ‘the child still survived’.

          • Profy

            King of the Sky…. Another mythology lol. Wait ooooo Dat means Oduduwa also fall from d sky…. Ode

      • Profy

        Lamurudu was an Idol Worshiper and they were chased out of Mecca because Islam abhors Idol Worship ok. That is genesis of Yoruba race.
        Now if you have a different version of Odududwa which u called Izoduwa. Tell me How many Children do Oduduwa have and where are their lineage today. How come Oduduwa refuse to come and rule Bini and Instead sent his son. Can the throne of a Son be greater than his Father according to ur story?
        How come Bini is so small compare to Yoruba territory.
        you have not answer my question why Eweka adopted Yoruba Language during his reign as OBA of bini.

      • Dele Awogbeoba

        The Oduduwa of the Yorubas and their history can be gleaned from the Alaafin of Oyo and the Ooni of Ife. The currently line of the Oba of Benin takes root from Eweka (who was left in Benin as a very young boy). The history of the father resides with the Alaafin of Oyo and the Ooni of IFE.

        Benin may have a case of mistaken identity. I do not doubt that they would like to think the king is the banished Ogiso prince but they are mistaken.

      • jamajake

        You are very funny

    • Profy

      Spot on brother. The one that even amaze me about this whole Historical facts is the benin palace adopting Yoruba as Official language during Eweka reign and up till 1940. They should also explain the meaning of Bose, Bisi, Oyegun, idowu to us because this are name Bini people also bear.

      • BABUYANMA

        I am sure the demonic Benin chiefs will call those people foreigners in Benin.

    • Pointitout

      Then where is Oduduwa from? Bini say he came from Benin and you say he fell from the sky. Which sky? In all your explanation, you have failed to counter what the Binis are insisting on. Bini did not deny the connection between their Oba and Oduduwa. They say the Oduduwa you are talking about was actually their son. When they had problem with their Ogiso, they invited their son hitherto thought to be dead after confession from one of the would be executioners to come and rule them but he was too old and sent his son. Oranmiyan who could not rule because he was brought up under a different culture. At no time was Benin kingdom conquered by the Yorubas. Check your history. Mind you, Oduduwa met people in Yoruba land. He is not the father of the whole Yorubas like you would want everyone to believe. It’s just like the Fulanis that came in and conquered the Hausas are not the founders of Hausa land. The Binis have the facts. Drop the pride.

      • Dele Awogbeoba

        The Yorubas have said that Oduduwa is not the person that the Ogiso dynasty banished. The Bini may have taken on a royal family by mistake. Oduduwa is not from Benin. There is no evidence of such a link. The first Oba dynasty started from EWEKA the first who was left at benin as a young boy. The Alaafin of Oyo (father to Oba Eweka) is able to state the history of ODUDUWA not the Oba of Benin.

      • Diane Hale

        MR Pointitout. Can you please ask the Bini’s Who is the father of Ogiso’s and where ogiso’s originated from?

    • Alpha

      Ife is “west” and NOT east to Benin; Ogene is Ibo ( Onitsha origin?) which is eastern to BC. Something is mixed up?

      • Dele Awogbeoba

        The story teller got the geography wrong. The issue and topic was the relationship between Ife and Benin. Benin people then referred to ife as uhe. Igane is not “Ogene” was the word the benin’s used for that Ife ruler. The Oba of Benin only went to Ife to be conferred with the staff of office.

  • lakande1

    The best way to solve this issue and all the unwritten history in Nigeria is by use of DNA test and carbon dating. If the Oba of Benin and Oba of Ife are related DNA will reveal this. A sample test from all present acclaimed 7 descendant son of Oduduwa will reveal if truly they are from the same lineage. It is time we back all our stories with scientific fact. Modern historian always use DNA test and carbon dating to back their research.

    • BABUYANMA

      True

    • NoSpinEd

      Well said. The only written historical record we have are the writings of Portuguese explorers of antiquity. According to those records the Oba of Benin actually had an ambassador in Lisbon in the 1300s. There are also references to some Potentate of The Interior, an estranged Benin prince who escaped to Ile-Ife which in edo means, ” I ran to safety”. The Edos and the Yorubas are one of the few tribes that have always gotten along well with each other historically. It does not serve any useful purpose today to argue over supremacy. It is interesting to note that the edo word for “spoon” is “ekuye” which is Portuguese.

    • jamajake

      You right

  • Still

    ** Source..Wikipedia **

    check for ( OBA “ruler”) and ( OBA of Benin ) ”

    The Benin word for King is Ogie or Ogiso was changed to Oba when Eweka son of Yoruba Prince Oranmiyan came to the throne in Benin in 1180.

    The title of Oba was created by Oba Eweka I, Benin Empire’s first ‘Oba’, who is said to have ascended to power at some time between 1180 and 1300.

    The first dynasty of the Edo or Benin Kingdom was the Ogiso dynasty.

    Oranmiyan was the grandson of Oduduwa a fearless warrior that ousted the Ogiso dynasty and conquer Benin Kingdom. Shortly afterwards, the Eweka dynasty was founded by Oranmiyan

    Oranmiyan impregnated Erimwinde( a Benin princess ) who gave birth to a son named Eweka (also called Owomika in bini dialect according to oral tradition). Eweka happens to be the first Oba of Benin, title associated with Yoruba Obas

    • BABUYANMA

      Thank you. After the Benin CHIEFS have swallowed SATANIC power, they think they are entitled to re-write history. You can see Yoruba in everything about Benin Culture

      • Profy

        Even in their name my brother. Can u imagine a Bini MAN BEARING NAME LIKE iDOWU, oYEGUN, bOSE AND bISI

        • Maria

          Hahahahaahahah…no those names are benin names, lol!

          • Wale

            Or Dele Giwa.

    • persona

      Just to make this a cerebral exercise, from the various statements, historical sources and facts spoken and recorded, the following is evident:
      1- The kingdoms of Bini and Ife are related. The relationship is espoused even in the account by the Bini spokesman when he said “someone” traveled from Bini to Ife. In his views, he sees no connections yet a bini man went to establish in Ife.
      2- The facts indicate that Bini people had the Ogiso till the Oba was made de facto. The implication of this is that the historical facts make it clear that Eweka was the first Oba of Bini. Historians, facts and even Wikipedia(which by any account was not written by a Yoruba man for the Bini kingdom) clearly states that Eweka was from the loins of Oromiyan.
      3- Oromiyan has a huge staff in Osun state which happens to be where Ile-Ife is. The staff also indicates rulership and by any stretch, this further shows that there exist a relationship between both kingdoms which the spokesman got mixed up.
      4- Oromiyan happens to have come from the loins of Oduduwa and that establishes that the first Oba of Bini was from the very loins of Oduduwa.
      5- The Ooni has stated that he is not in a genitalia contest with anyone. The very Oba that did the ranking placed himself behind the Oba of Benin and it now begs the questions that why would a king make a statement that the Oba of Benin is senior to him not in age but rank based on the fact on how each kingdoms were established.
      ^- I can definitely understand that the Bini kingdom want to avoid the Afonja scenario in Ilorin, thus telling the Ooni that Bini cant be annexed. It is not an annexation, it is more of a reach out that we are brothers and we should have each other’s backs.
      7- It is no coincidence that the way Nigeria was divided into regions, Benin was carved alongside the Yorubas to constitute the Western region. Those with facts did it such to ensure that bonds that pre-exist will be there.
      8- The Oba of Bini is a paramount ruler, first class for that matter and he is no subject to any. He is first amongst equals.
      9- The spread, names, similar cultures of the Bini and Ife(Yoruba), even rituals indicate they are from the same cloth.
      10- Oba in Yoruba became prominent with the advent of Oba of Lagos when facts also support that the Bini kingdom had territorial influence over Lagos and so the name may have been adopted in preference for the Eleko of Eko.
      In Yoruba land, the king is hailed and called Kabiyesi- he that cant be questioned, his word his law. This is what all Yoruba kings are called and addressed as. The lexicon Oba can be likened with the way everyone called Bar washing soap Canoe soap even when we had Sunlight and the rest or how every powdered soap was called Surf back then.
      I will rather see us talk about ties that bind than what is suspected as a supremacy battle that is not even there because the Ooni has said if the Benin don’t see the connections, its very much ok to “let them be”.
      I am not denigrating any side, just keeping it distilled from all that has come up on this forum.

    • Rommel

      Wikipedia cannot give you this history because the information there was fed by people like Fani Kayode who claims that they came from somewhere around Egypt,this has been his own version of history but we know the truth that there were never any people by the name Yoruba,it was the creation of Bishop Ajayi Crowther of yesterday,we know of the Awori people and they did not come from any Egypt,they were nomadic slaves who were allowed to inhabit the area we today call western Nigeria and used in sacrifices by the Oba bini during the many wars with Dahomey

  • Maria

    “According to oral tradition, the first dynasty of the Edo or Benin Kingdom was the Ogiso dynasty, rulers who were known to their people as the kings of the Sky.[1] The number of such kings varies depending on which tradition is followed.[1] One tradition gives the number as 31 while others state twelve or even one.[1] Whatever the case may be, Oranmiyan was the grandson of Oduduwa a fearless warrior that ousted the Ogiso dynasty and conquer Benin Kingdom. Shortly afterwards, the Eweka dynasty was founded by Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent some years in Benin before returning to Ife to subsequently establish a Yoruba kingdom at Oyo. It is said that he left Benin (called Ubinu those days) in anger, for its palace intrigues and fights over power caused by the brother of the last Ogiso, as synonymous with ‘vexations’. On his way home to Ife, Oranmiyan stopped briefly at Ego, where he impregnated Princess Erimwinde, the daughter of the duke of Ego, in short order. She is then believed to have given birth to a son named Eweka (also called Owomika in bini dialect according to oral tradition). Eweka happens to be the first Oba of Benin, title associated with Yoruba Obas.

    In 2016 I argued with omoh s came to power and turned the city-state into an empire that stretched further west to the coveted port, Eko. The name “Benin” is a Portuguese corruption of “Bini” which itself is a corruption of the Itsekhiri’s “Ubinu”. “Bini” came into use in the 15th century during the reign of Oba Ewuare the Great by the increasing mix of ethnicities living together or arriving to pay dues at the royal administrative centre. At about 1485, following the Portuguese involvement in the area, the city proper began to be referred to as “Benin” while the expanding group of tributary states became known as the “Benin Empire”.

    During the 15th and 16th centuries, the Oba of Benin’s power was at its peak and different monarchs of the dynasty controlled significant stretches of land in what is now West Africa. During this era, exquisite naturalistic bronze art was created to enhance and embody the power of the Oba. The art often depicted the ancestors in order to establish both continuity and legitimacy. Due to this, only the Obas of Benin were allowed to own the famous bronze heads of Benin.” Wikipedia

  • UOU

    This people sef!!! Must they drag everything even those things that has no relevance, all in the intent of seeking for relevance? someday they will also drag a “pot of shit” with the north, we are watching a new home video now, bini v yoruba, who is the master and who is the slave? come on me all of you, cowards starting from akwuna maria, junkie adeniran etc, come on, masters of lies, deciet, mischief and propagdanda

  • FreeNigeria

    This young Ife king that’s not supposed to be there in the first place is causing confusion already. You see what happens when politicians start deciding who should be king. Katakata go dey follow dem. This young boy is not even smart enough to know his history and he’s a king. Wahala dey ooooooo

    • jamajake

      Lol

    • The facts

      Don’t mind the guy. Few weeks ago I heard him saying Noah’s ark is in Ife. By the way, the Benin history sounds credible but the Oduduwa story has always sounded dodgy to me. How can someone say Oduduwa came from heaven and people started to believe that cock and Bull story?

      • FreeNigeria

        LOL, power dey hungry am. Soon, he’d say Queen Elizabeth is the 6th in line in Oduduwa royal line

      • Tunsj

        This is what you get if the wrong person is put in a position.

  • the truth

    What is lie mohammed’s thought on this? Mr Lie Lie Mohammed please come and technically answer this question.

  • Osagie Oluwakayode

    @Arogbo:disqus Even in Usen town, the title of the traditional ruler is the “Olu Awure” of Usen, Edo state…. These days the title has been corrupted to “Elawure” ….. If you go to his palace he is referred to as Kabiyesi by his subjects. His title is the Oba Olu Ogbe the Second II. The town’s original long form name is Ode Awure , or Ode Usen, just like Ijebu Ode (Ijebu, Ogun) , Ode Itsekiri (Itsekiri, Delta) and Ode Irele (Ikale, Ondo) So you see bro. If Yoruba prince didn’t rule in Benin, how come so many Edo towns are having rulers with Yoruba titles and so many other similarities?

  • Jeff

    *****SOURCE : WIKIPEDIA *****

    NOTE : Please and I beg, No Insults . Let’s rob minds and learn together, I’m open to learning .

    The Benin Empire was a pre-colonial empire located in what is now southern Nigeria. Its capital was Edo, now known as Benin City, Edo. It should not be confused with the modern-day country called Benin, formerly called Dahomey. The Benin Empire was “one of the oldest and most highly developed states in the coastal hinterland of West Africa, dating perhaps to the eleventh century CE”,[2] until it was annexed by the British Empire in 1897.

    The original people and founders of the Benin Empire, the Edo people, were initially ruled by the Ogiso (Kings of the Sky) dynasty who called their land Igodomigodo. The rulers or kings were commonly known as Ogiso. Igodo, the first Ogiso, wielded much influence and gained popularity as a good ruler. He died after a long reign and was succeeded by Ere, his eldest son. In the 12th century, a great palace intrigue and battle for power erupted between the warrior crown prince Ekaladerhan son of the last Ogiso and his young paternal uncle. In anger over an oracle, Prince Ekaladerhan left the royal court with his warriors. When his old father the Ogiso died, the Ogiso dynasty was ended as the people and royal kingmakers preferred their king’s son as natural next in line to rule.

    The exiled Prince Ekaladerhan died at Ogheton. Oranmiyan took up his abode in the palace built for him at Usama by the elders (now a coronation shrine). Soon after his arrival he married a beautiful lady, Erinmwinde, daughter of Osa-nego, was the ninth Enogie (Duke) of Ego, by whom he had a son. After some years residence here he called a meeting of the people and renounced his office, remarking that the country was a land of vexation, Ile-Ibinu (by which name the country was afterward known) and that only a child born, trained and educated in the arts and mysteries of the land could reign over the people. He caused his son born to him by Erinmwinde to be made King in his place, and returned to Yoruba land Ile-Ife. After some years in Ife, he left for Oyo, where he also left a son behind on leaving the place, and his son Ajaka ultimately became the first Alafin of Oyo of the present line, while Oranmiyan himself was reigning as Oni of Ife. Therefore, Oranmiyan of Ife, the father of Eweka I, the Oba of Benin, was also the father of Ajaka, the first Alafin of Oyo. Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo is a Bini spoken language all the Kings title in Southerner are Edo Language. In Nigeria Edo has the greatest and rich culture and most influence in West Africa and powerful King in Nigeria.

    By the 15th century, Edo as a system of protected settlements expanded into a thriving city-state. In the 15th century, the twelfth Oba in line, Oba Ewuare the Great (1440–1473) would expand the city-state to an empire.

    It was not until the 15th century during the reign of Oba Ewuare the Great that the kingdom’s administrative centre, the city Ubinu, began to be known as Benin City by the Portuguese, and would later be adopted by the locals as well. Before then, due to the pronounced ethnic diversity at the kingdom’s headquarters during the 15th century from the successes of Oba Ewuare, the earlier name (‘Ubinu’) by a tribe of the Edos was colloquially spoken as “Bini” by the mix of Itsekhiri, Esan, Ika, Ijaw Edo, Urhobo living together in the royal administrative centre of the kingdom. The Portuguese would write this down as Benin City. Though, farther Edo clans, such as the Itsekiris and the Urhobos still referred to the city as Ubini up till the late 19th century, as evidence implies.

    Aside from Benin City, the system of rule of the Oba in his kingdom, even through the golden age of the kingdom, was still loosely based after the Ogiso dynasty, which was military and royal protection in exchange of use of resources and implementation of taxes paid to the royal administrative centre. Language and culture was not enforced but remained heterogeneous and localized according to each group within the kingdom, though a local “Enogie” (duke) was often appointed by the Oba for specified ethnic areas.

    My Personal Conclusion : (***Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo is a Bini spoken language all the Kings title in Southerner are Edo Language. In Nigeria Edo has the greatest and rich culture and most influence in West Africa and powerful King in Nigeria***) ….. Since Oni of Ife is a Bini spoken language, Oranmiyan must had been one of the descendant of the Ogiso dynasty, who travelled and conquered the Yoruba inhabitants of Ife,became there king and came back home to pay hommage, gave birth to Eweka and the use of Oba came into being from Yoruba language,base on his time at ife , (and he might be the one who even named it Ife after he conquered it).And Oranmiyan came back to Ife , because he couldn’t put up any more with the vexation (ile-ibinu) of his original people, because he’s now so used to the Yoruba lifestyle.

    • Diane Hale

      Note:
      The exiled Prince Ekaladerhan died at Ogheton? History does not say Ekaladerhan return from Ife when his old father the Ogiso died, or gave birth to Oranmiyan. Mean that Oranmiyan came from IFE to be crown as king. My question now is where Benin originated from and who is the father of OGISO? According to ur history is the (Kings of the Sky) and we have only one king in the sky which is almighty GOD. You people should stop re-writting history.

    • Maria

      “According to oral tradition, the first dynasty of the Edo or Benin Kingdom was the Ogiso dynasty, rulers who were known to their people as the kings of the Sky.[1] The number of such kings varies depending on which tradition is followed.[1] One tradition gives the number as 31 while others state twelve or even one.[1] Whatever the case may be, Oranmiyan was the grandson of Oduduwa a fearless warrior that ousted the Ogiso dynasty and conquer Benin Kingdom. Shortly afterwards, the Eweka dynasty was founded by Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent some years in Benin before returning to Ife to subsequently establish a Yoruba kingdom at Oyo. It is said that he left Benin (called Ubinu those days) in anger, for its palace intrigues and fights over power caused by the brother of the last Ogiso, as synonymous with ‘vexations’. On his way home to Ife, Oranmiyan stopped briefly at Ego, where he impregnated Princess Erimwinde, the daughter of the duke of Ego, in short order. She is then believed to have given birth to a son named Eweka (also called Owomika in bini dialect according to oral tradition). Eweka happens to be the first Oba of Benin, title associated with Yoruba Obas.” Wikipedia.

      By the way…I can see what you copied and posted you did not read. In what you copied and posted nowhere I saw “alafe” of oyo…yet you claim you know what you are saying…Sorry…if you dont know such simple fact…I cant believe your trash.

      • Better

        You are jobless, because the Edo people choose to be calm you feel you can usurp their land, please go and request for ilorin from the fulanis and see how your asses will be daggered. Ole, olosha, oloriburuku.

        • Maria

          Ori e ti daru…I know you cannot engage in intellectual arguments without resorting to primordial name calling once you are defeated….Enia lasan obo lagido akindanidani.

          • Better

            Witch, stop using the sweet name of Maria you started primordial shit and you will be primed so bad, aje, olosho, emere, I bet yarab is the only language you can write and speak, but I your shiit yaraba- yoruba language more than your olodo ori eja numb skull.

          • Maria

            The Yoruba are among the most urbanized people in Africa. For centuries before the arrival of the British colonial administration most Yoruba already lived in well structured urban centers organized around powerful city-states (Ìlú) centered around the residence of the Oba.[29]

          • Better

            Witch those are lies yorubas are the afi poo mu garri – drink garri from shit potty.
            Where will you place Igbo Ukwu, Nupe, and the Igalas.
            Yarabas were slaves to fulanis.

          • Maria

            idi0t….your mama is a worthless piece of shit.

          • Better

            Yaraba withch dont rant yet, your madness is just in gear one, can yarabas face the fulanis, name any time yarabas had the balls to challenge fulanis, ratther you bow and crawl before fulanis.
            Yaraba witch…….

          • Better

            I can see you are the type of witch that eats their mother – aje to pa iya re je.
            Since you are exhibiting such high disrespect for the Mothers, then you shall go down into eternal damnation, which has already started, as can be sen by the you refer to your self as a worthless piece of shit.

        • Maria

          I thought they have appointed you as their mouthpiece or are you tired? Eranko.

      • Jeff

        Please read the 3rd paragraph Maria… don’t read through in a hurry and with bias mind ,read with open mind .

    • FreeNigeria

      Don’t mind the young Ife King, instead of sitting down to learn his history, he’s rushing to show his ignorance. yesterday he said Tower of Babel is in Ife. Tomorrow, he’ll say Queen Elizabeth is #6 in Oduduwa royal Line.

      • Better

        You forgot he also mentioned Noah’ Ark, the young boy needs to be careful.

        • FreeNigeria

          I think he’s intoxicated on his current position, he didn’t expect to be there. Let him keep showing his ignorance

          • Better

            As the saying goes pride goes before a fall.

    • Ayelala

      Look at the bottom of the Wikipedia page . Last edited by anonymous person 15 days ago.
      Anybody can put nonsense on Wikipedia

    • Rommel

      So it is wikipedia that will tell you the history of your village,na waooo! is this how your education is?

    • persona

      @Jeff: ” remarking that the country was a land of vexation, Ile-Ibinu (by which name the country was afterward known) and that only a child born, trained and educated in the arts and mysteries of the land could reign over the people. He caused his son born to him by Erinmwinde to be made King in his place, and returned to Yoruba land Ile-Ife. After some years in Ife, he left for Oyo, where he also left a son behind on leaving the place, and his son Ajaka ultimately became the first Alafin of Oyo of the present line, while Oranmiyan himself was reigning as Oni of Ife. Therefore, Oranmiyan of Ife, the father of Eweka I, the Oba of Benin, was also the father of Ajaka, the first Alafin of Oyo. Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo is a Bini spoken language all the Kings title in Southerner are Edo Language”
      1- The name Bini came from land of Vexation.
      2- The same Oranmiyan, left his son to rule
      3- Oramiyam was the Ooni of Ife
      4- Ajaka became the Alafin of Oyo
      5- Eweka was the Oba of Ile Ibinu(Bini)
      from the outlined, it is obvious that Oramiyan named Bini and left them a king. This shows the “relationship” between the Yoruba and the Bini even though was based on child bearing, the name of the place was labelled based on the activities of that time(vexation).
      It is clear that Oranmiyan left his son for purity sake because his mother was from the town he later named Bini.
      The order supports what the Alake clearly stated. The father(Oranmiyan) ruled before he left it for his son.

    • Profy

      I have listen with great attention all the Commentator on this forum but i want to ask this following question:
      1. The Benin Royal dynasty was formerly known as Ogiso? True or False
      2. The Benin Royal dynasty name was change to Oba when Eweka the Son of Oranmiyan become the King.
      3. Their was an undeniable fact that Eweka is Oranmiyan Son and Oranmiyan is also Oduduwa grand Son? True or False
      4. Oduduwa has a Child call okanbi who gave birth to 8 Children and Oranmiyan is the Last Son. Can Benin tell us more about the lineage of Oduduwa and where are they since they said Oduduwa or Izoduwa is from them. Beside Why would Benin Kingdom allow the son of the last born of the Grand son of Oduduwa to rule over them. This is against Benin Tradition where it is only the first Child that take over the throne?
      5. Why did Eweka the Oranmiyan son that came from IFE change the Royal title from Ogiso to Oba?
      6. In the palace of Benin during Eweka Reign and subsequent Oba up till 1940, Yoruba language was the officially language in the Benin Palace? True or False.
      7. Yoruba as a language transcend Benin Republic, Itshekiri, Brazil, Senegal, Cotedivoire, Togo and most of the West African State. How come Yoruba is that big in terms of territory and Benin Kingdom is restricted to Edo State?
      8. According to Wikipedia, Oba is a Yoruba language meaning to preside or rule . Oba ba lori ohun gbogbo.
      9. If Yoruba dont know where they come from according to some commentator, Where did Benin Royal Kingdom come from?
      10. Every tribe has 2 facts about them viz Mythology and Historical facts and Yoruba has the two.
      11. According to Yoruba mythology, Oduduwa fall from sky maybe to adore his spiritual prowess and according to their Historical facts Yoruba race come from Saudi Arabia and the Progenitor is called Lamurudu. When a mythology say someone comes from heaven it may not necessarily means he falls from the sky. For example you can refer your wife to an Angel but is she really an Angel? Funny enuf Ogiso also mean King of the Sky in bini.
      12. Do you know that Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo, Oba of Benin, Alake of Egbaland and Awujale of Ijebuland have taken picture together before. The Five them. That to me is not Ordinary. Their must be something that links the Five of them together. Just this 5 people when you have thousand of Obas in Yoruba land. Why this 5?
      13. How come Some Edo people bear Yoruba Name.
      14. Who change the name from Igodomigodo to Ile ibinu(vexation) which today is called Benin… The Answer is Oranmiyan.
      15. How come to crown an Oba of Benin the rite is not complete until he comes to a shrine in IFE.
      16. If truly Oranmiyan was called by bini to come and rule and he sent his Son instead. Can the Son throne be greater than is father throne. Alternatively it could also mean Oranmiyan transfer the sit of power to IFE and make bini his subject. It could also mean that Oranmiyan conquer Benin and sent his son to rule bcos all the Ogiso 31 of them were no longer relevant in Royal house. It is only the Eweka lineage that is entitle to the throne.

      No disrespect, I need answer one by one to all this question. Thank you.

  • Charles

    Great!

  • Charles

    There’s a part that I like very much from the king’s response:

    Oba Ogunwusi stated that If the position espoused by the Oba of Benin Palace in the media “is aimed at distancing our people in Benin from the South West and Yoruba, so be it.”

    I mean, what the hell! We don’t have to be close in any way.

  • MammanJiyaVatsa

    Personally, I saw and had friends in the 70`s in Ile-Ife, Palace slaves in Ooni`s palace in Ile-Ife who were Benin “present day Edo-State”. Among who is the now famous “Dele Momodu`s” – Father….. Dele was born and grew up in Ile-Ife`s palace, his father was an Ooni of Ile-Ife palace slave, he`s from Benin.

    Another Benin palace slave in Ile-Ife then were the “Agekameh family” – Dele Agekameh, a renowned journalist in Lagos can confirm this to anyone, his father was a palace slave in the Ooni`s palace.

    Dele Momodu would tell anyone he was born and bred in Ooni`s palace in Ile-Ife, but never went beyond that. Those are the reasons he`s so close to the “Aderemi princes till date”….. because they used to play together in the palace.

    Now, history had it that, in reverence & deference to the Ooni`s, the Kings of Benin as a matter of obligation must send Slaves to take-care of the Ooni`s in Ile-Ife,….. Why this is so, I don`t know.

    But from what i saw closely in the 1970`s in Ile-Ife, as a young student in the then University of Ife, located in the old site of Ife-wara road, “not the present day Ife-Ibadan road…..the only foreigners in Ile-Ife living among the Ife people, who are distinctly noticeable in the markets in Ile-Ife then, were these Benin`s palace slaves, because they dress differently from the Yorubas of ile-Ife then.

    My conclusion is that, the Ooni`s must have been so much powerful in those days to have his slaves come from the Benin Kingdom, I saw it, nobody told me, and up-till today, some of these now ex-palace Benin slave`s children are my childhood friends. The “Agekameh`s” & Momodu`s”.

    Hence from contemporary anthropological facts of those times, the Esogban of Benin and Odionwere of the Kingdom goofed with his allegations, else how would the Benin`s be serving as slaves in the Palace of the Ooni of Ile-ife then, this was during the reign of Oba Adesoji Aderemi, governor general of Western Region of Nigeria. The Ooni stool must have been seen and so esteemed then, even by the white-men.

    Thank you, I`m open to constructive critical appraisals, and I stand to be corrected.

    • hiro hiro

      See this two kobo oba talking the things he know nothing about. Please just go and prostrate to the oba of Benin. Oduduwa my foot.

    • Jeff

      You are more than right at to what u see … but please read through and you’ll see answers to past questions and with the answers, you’ll find answers to your questions too …. And the answer is the most correct reason why you can find a bini slave in Ife …

      1. Why are bini people bearing name like Bose, Bisi, Idowu, Oyegun….Answer : These names are borrowed names and were given from the time of Eweka and never before and the reason you will read below …And please don’t forget Edo has boarder with Yoruba clans.
      2. Why did Bini Kingdom adopt Yoruba Language during the reign of Eweka the Son of Oranmiyan… Answer : Because of his father Oranmiyan,who is a descendant of Ogiso, he was a powerful warrior who conquered the Land he later named ife (which is derived from Benin laguage) and was their king, he returned home to Benin,where he fathered a son named Eweka.He was by then so used to the days and language of the Yoruba, that he communicated with his son in Yoruba and thus, adopted Yoruba language in the kingdom during the reign of Eweka.
      3. Why did Oranmiyan refuse to ascend the Bini throne and instead sent his Son and prefer to remain in OYO… Answer : He gave up the throne to the son and went back to Ife , because he was no more used to the Vexed nature of the bini people and was so used with the lifestyle of the Yoruba’s (was a matter of choice of comfortability) .he even named that area ile-binu .
      4. Can the throne of a SON be greater than the Father…Answer : in this case YES … the throne Eweka sat on was the throne of even the fore father’s of Oranmiyan ( The Ogiso’s) and the Main throne from which other throne in the Yoruba land and beyond came into being.

      • Diane Hale

        Note:

        The exiled Prince Ekaladerhan died at Ogheton? History does not say Ekaladerhan die in IFE or return from Ife when his old father the Ogiso died, or gave birth to Oranmiyan. Mean that Oranmiyan came from IFE to be crown as king. My question now is where Benin originated from and who is the father of OGISO? According to ur history is the (Kings of the Sky) and we have only one king in the sky which is almighty GOD.

        Please answer my questions because you are wailing since.

  • Dr Pat Kolawole Awosan

    Esogban of Benin,is really suffering from insanity virus by claiming that Ooni of Ife,was a Benin prince who wandered away to Ife, and settled at Ife.Very very insulting and demeaning to the image of Oduduwa and history of Yoruba race.Benin was part of former old western region in Nigeria.Then, how could Benin prince who wandered away to Ife and settled there be the father of all Yoruba-people? Benin Oba and his chiefs can not turn history on its head.Benin oba and chiefs are turning history on its head.

    • Ayelala

      That same Attitude of the elites allowed the enemies to penetrate the old western region . The mid west has been stuck in a rot ever since then.
      Boom towns like warri, sapele were destroyed.
      The first things to go were the lumber and maritime industry. The sacred forests were decimated .

    • Alamu

      You have started with the insults. This is a trait common with some of you Yorubas and Igbos. You insult and abuse others because they have a different opinion.

  • Dr Pat Kolawole Awosan

    Lamurudu was the authentic father of Oduduwa,he came through Sahara desert to Nigeria and through Northern part of Nigeria,Nupe before coming to Ife where he settled.Lamurudu was the father of Oduduwa Oduduwa was not a Benin prince.Though,Oranmiyan,one of the sons of Oduduwa dethrone Ogiso of Benin,he later imprenated an Beni woman who gave birth to a son,Eweka later became Oba of Benin Kingdom,

    • Rommel

      Hahahahahahahaha spreading fake history as usual,do the Awori people look like the inhabitants of Sahara and beyond? tell us the history of Awori people and not Yoruba because no such people existed in history,the name is a derogatory expression used by Hausa to describe a certain nomadic people in the outskirts of the Bini empire and Dahomey

      • FreeNigeria

        Don’t mind this native doctor

      • Victor Odutola Mayomi

        I pity you because you don’t know your own history. That is why you trivialize the history of other ethnic groups. We are a people with a proud heritage. Thank God we are men and women of letters whose history have been documented before Nigeria became a nation.

        • Rommel

          If you knew your history,why then are you calling your people Yoruba? a small child can only be an expert in speaking in riddles if there are no elders in his town

          • Victor Odutola Mayomi

            Why not ask your elders the lineage this present Oba is from? So it is the binis who are the authority on Yoruba history. There is nothing unusual about Ife-Benin relations. There are parallels in other parts of the world. The queen of England has her roots in Germany.
            Victor
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          • Felix

            My brother, There is nothing to argue about. if we keep going to our individual histories, the argument will not end. Go to libraries in europe and all over the world, the documented dynasties and the well recognized history of the “Bini kingdom” by far exceeds and outdates the yoruba culture. Go to museums in europe, and even the queen’s palace, youu will see Bini artefacts, they by far exceed the dates of the yoruba culture. These are facts. So no need to keep arguing and trying to deduce. Even Common sense will tell you that a kingdom that has been ruled by one lineage with well documented dealings with europeans for centuries compared to a land where different people can become king at any time cannot be compared with each other.

          • Victor Odutola Mayomi

            Your ignorance again. The youth as are all over the world in the carribean, America, south America, republic of Benin, sierra Leone, Togo, Cuba among others. You are only advertising your ignorance because you are too lazy to conduct a proper research on Yoruba civilization. victor
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          • Owaikena

            Whats wrong with u and the word youth & ignorant.you think u no all den apply for the post of a search engine.

      • Victor Odutola Mayomi

        The aworis originated from ife. They are not normads. Go to the ooni’s palace or the alafin of oyo’s palace. You will be instructed regarding Yoruba history.

  • FreeNigeria

    The Oba of Benin is not appointed by politicians to do their political biding. The Oba of Benin is ordained by God to guide his people. If you live to witness the coronation of Oba of Benin, you’ll understand what i am talking about. Since Oni of Ife, the owner of Noah’s Ark, Tower of babel and the Supreme King of Kings wants to be the father of Oba of Benin, make him carry go. We go see how far he can go with it.

    • Ayelala

      You are having a laugh right. The Benin ruling house is Yoruba in blood and can trace its root all the way to ife.
      Edo is part of the Yoruboid family of language.you can cannot dispute the evidence of archeology and anthropology, ,science,arts , medicine and religion .
      ife gave birth to the modern Benin kingdom. Fact.

      • FreeNigeria

        Yoruba sees it as you see it. Benin people sees it as they see it. The same way Alafin and Oni drags supremacy

        • Ayelala

          Ife declined and oyo rose, Oyo declined, Ibadan rose, Ibadan declined, the British came.Scatter , scatter ever since.
          Empires come and go

          • FreeNigeria

            True, empires fall. new ones rise. The new Oni should stop courting controversy and learn his role in the society.

          • Victor Odutola Mayomi

            This is not about democracy but about tradition. Stop commenting on what you don’t know. If the Oba of Benin feels the Ooni is not superior to him, he has no business claiming superiority over any Oba too in Edo state. His claim of superiority in Edo state is also based on tradition.

        • Maria

          The supremacy between alaafin is about who should be the leader of Yorubas…Ife was never part of Oyo Kingdom…go and study history. Oyo and Ife were two separate Yoruba kingdoms.

          • Ayelala

            Ife was. Google is your friend . Check the ancient maps of the world.

          • Maria

            ok

          • Owaikena

            lolzzzzz

          • FreeNigeria

            Ife, oyo, ibadan etc yoruba this yoruba that. It’s not important to me. What I know is this young Ife king appointed by politicians should sit down and learn his history and role in society and stop stoking controversies

          • persona

            But he was not even the one that did the ranking.
            The person that did the ranking even placed himself after the Oba of Benin.
            The Ooni said clearly that if the Binis don’t want to be part of them, so be it. Read the press release again.
            The challenge here is the spokesman of the Benin kingdom who first said their is no relationship only to say Ooni is a Bini prince after a Bini man wondered away. Does that not even from that account indicate that there is a relationship and supports the assertion of the Ooni that even he pursues no supremacy, the Binis are kith and kin of the Yorubas?
            This is a needless exercise.

          • Victor Odutola Mayomi

            You are being naive. He is a young man who has been transformed into an elder after his coronation. Are you in Nigeria? Didn’t you read it in the news that President Obasanjo prostrated for him? It is not the age but the authority behind the throne. In any case,this is not about democracy but about tradition.

          • Owaikena

            All i no is that the Oba of Benin is the highest and oldest ranking traditional ruler.

          • Victor Odutola Mayomi

            So who appoints traditional rulers in Nigeria? Was the Oba of Benin not appointed by the governor of bendel state in the past?

          • Alamu

            Goes to show you are the one that is too young. The present Oba was not crowned during the civilian era. After his birth in 1923, everybody knew he would become Oba if he does not die before his father. The Binis do not have political parties (ruling houses) that submit candidates for election.

          • Victor Odutola Mayomi

            He was crowned by the gods. Every king in Nigeria is given the staff of office by the governor of the state. Without the staff of office, he does not have authority to rule. The Oduduwa dynasty extends beyond Nigeria. So, like the Ooni said, if the palace of Benin does not acknowledge the relationship with Ife, that is its own cup of tea.
            Victor
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          • Victor Odutola Mayomi

            The Oba was installed on 23 March, 1979. So, will the new Oba not be given the staff of office by Edo state governor when he is about to occupy the throne of his fathers?.
            Victor
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          • Alamu

            To you, giving a traditional ruler a staff of office is same as appointing him to that office. “Doh”.
            Tell whoever is governor to keep his staff of office. The Oba does not need a staff of office. The Binis know who their Oba is.

          • Victor Odutola Mayomi

            Since you don’t know obas are chosen in Yorubaland, be informed that they are chosen by the people. The government only gives the staff of office as part of the protocols to give legitimacy to their rule because the oba comes from within the state and is not above the state. Or are you saying the Oba of Benin is above Edo state and the governor of the state in the order of protocol?
            Victor
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          • Alamu

            Yes, obas in Yorubaland are chosen. Three or more ruling houses submit their candidates (like an election) and get selected by the kingmakers. To you, that is synonymous with the people choosing their obas. Good for you, good for the Yorubas.
            The Binis do not hold an election to decide who will be Oba. Please, tell the governor to keep his staff of office because the Oba does not need it. To the Binis, their Oba is more important to them than your governor.

          • Tunsj

            Couldn’t have said it better myself.

      • Ish Adam

        Another Yoruba LIAR . What is Yoruboid family of language where did you get that from? And which are the evidences that you are lying about here ? You guys have lies in your DNA !

    • Victor Odutola Mayomi

      But the coronation of the Oba of Benin is not complete until he comes to the shrine at Ile- Ife to perform the final rites. The present Oba of Benin performed the rite at Ife when he ascended the throne. Don’t dabble into what you don’t know Yoruba hater.

      • Ish Adam

        Victor you are a LIAR! When and which Oba of Benin came to Ife to perform final rite. You guys are so full of lies.

        • Victor Odutola Mayomi

          I guess you are too young to know when the present Oba of Benin was installed. I hope there are elders in the Benin kingdom who will teach their children the true history about Ife-Benin relationship. The truth is that if the palace of Benin continues to falsify history, very soon another king in Edo state will challenge the supremacy of the Oba of Benin. It is a pity that history is no longer taught in our schools. Victor
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          • Ish Adam

            Victor ,you multiply words in ignorance. No traditional ruler in Edo state will ever challenge the supremacy of the Oba of Bini for they know their source unlike the divided Yoruba race . Little Modakeke town does not even recognize the supremacy of the Onni of ife. not to talk of the great Alaafin of the great Oyo empire.

          • Owaikena

            When u crown ur Oba in lagos dnt forget that the staff used is gotten from this same benin kingdom.

  • Rommel

    Can anybody tell me why among people of the southern Nigeria,the people we today identify as Yoruba are the ones with marks on their faces,200 yrs ago,there we no such people,we had people called Awori who were nomads and occupied certain areas around the south west where the Oba bini used to get people for sacrifice during the wars with Dahomey,it was the Hausa that gave those Awori the name Yoruba as a matter of fact,we understand that the initial name was yaraba,a derogatory expression used by the Hausa to identify the people until the arrival of Bishop Ajayi Crowther of yesterday who changed the name to what we now call them so how can these people today claim to be sons of the soil? these were nomads,people with no firm root hence all these attempts to invent a history to make them look authentic but facts are sacred,they should not question the very ground they are living on today so that it does not turn against them.

    • Alpha

      Please visit the Museum at Ife and post a comment on your findings.

      • Rommel

        Visit Akpolokpolo palace in Bini,which kind museum,are you a fake man? go to authentic places and see things for yourself

        • Alpha

          I’ve been to both and I’m of both divides and will never be one sided in this. I’m sure you are one of the uncouth youths we are currently raising. May God redeem your abusive generation

          • Igwe

            lost souls…all of them

    • persona

      Bro, the Mapo hill in Ibadan was built by the same slaves that fell during the Dahomey war you referenced.
      It is the story that they carried bricks on their heads all the way to build the Mapo hall.
      If you claim the Yorubas were not around, how come they did such exploit. The Title Aare ona Kakanfo which Abiola coveted, was the warrior that led the Yorubas to that very war.
      The coinage of the name and the people alongside their language was codified by Bishop Ajayi Crowther based on the premise he was one of them and that their exploit made him to use their proverbs and history to structure their language.
      I am not against discussions but to claim that migrants passed through the lands and no tribe called Yorubas then is actually not correct. The past Olubadan ruling house says so much about how long they have been around as documented by every Oluban till the one that passed on recently and that is why Mapo was the base and symbol of the strength. Ibadan was so significant that it became the capital of Yoruba land and the first University, Radio and Tv stations in Nigeria were founded there. How does that happen if they never had a strong socio-political consciousness that the whites were marveled at?

      • SeniO.

        Rommel, any comments?

      • Igwe

        how can “the same slaves that fell” build anything? Do you know what it means to fall in a war?

        • persona

          Are you having issues with fell? It could also mean fell to their captors.
          Fell doesn’t always mean they fell to bullets or killed. The history is not tainted.

    • Victor Odutola Mayomi

      Rommel continue to advertise your ignorance. Yorubas are normads according to your version of distorted history. You do not share our heritage, so you cannot know our history. Ile ife is our source and we are proud hiers of oduduwa.

      • Rommel

        There is a reason why among the people of the south,it is mainly the Awori that are marked with facial identification,do you know why? some call it tribal marks but there are reasons

  • Alpha

    Those condemning the Ooni should read his message again, noting that the said statement did not originate from him. I am surprised that our people took the old testament of the Holy Bible as facts without knowing that they were based on oral history.

    Our peculiar situation is the recent rise of political history. The argument of precedence between Benin (Edo) and Yorubas is not new as late Oba Akenzua II was always asserting Edo’s pre-eminence at several fora. One of the backings he gave to his claim was that most Yoruba towns and titles bear Edo names, especially Lagos (Eko, which he said means military barrack or garrison in Edo), and that most of the constituting communities are of Edo names such as Apapa, Yaba, etc. But he never once deny kinship of the two tribes. This Esogban’s (Osogbon is a traditional title in most Yoruba clans) version is brand new.
    Those quoting Wikipedia should ponder on it’s age and the authors of the content being referred.

  • Curseless

    Esogban should understand that when one says Olubadan of Ibadan it means the the ruler of Ibadan and in that instance it will be Oba Odugade of blessed memory. Oba means king which is an authentic Yoruba word. For Osogbo, the Oba’s title is Ataoja of Osogbo, hence you call him Oba Atoja of Osogbo. Let’s us try not to rewrite history here.

    • Igwe

      We think the person saying the Oba of Benin has no relationship with the Yorubas should immediately receive the title of Oniranu of Iranu or Onikponu of Okponu!

      • Tunsj

        Lol.

        • Tony

          Lol

  • Kñîghtš Tëmpłær

    Untold truth – Lagos is Benin territory…

    • Maria

      Owerri is Ijaw territory, Onitsha is benin territory.

      • Alpha

        “We in Oduduwa land have always seen and regarded our people in Benin kingdom as part and parcel of Oduduwa House. They are our brothers and sisters, coupled with historical facts to back up this position,” Ooni Ogunwusi said….”

        There is no territorial claim in the story. The coinage of the headline was intended to cause disaffection. As I always tell my Ijaw, Asaba and Onitsha people, they are of Edo origin also. That does not mean their territory belong to Benin.

        • Samuel Okpolagha

          Ignorance is…. No Ijaw man is from Benin. Even if there are no documented facts to prove where they (Ijaws) come from, simple logic is at variance with your assertions.

        • Owaikena

          Odudua is a descendant from Edo, like it or not thats the truth.

  • walter enang

    Ife is Benin territory. Calabar is Yoruba territory. Ihiala is mallam territory. Fufu is edikan ikong territory. All this nonsense talk is embarrassing when you guys should be pressuring illiterate Buhari to restructure Nigeria so we can have a better life. This is utter bullshit talking point that can only bring hatred and resentment amongst two formerly very friendly and cooperating tribes. I sus[ect aboki is behind this discordant tune…maybe they “settled ” that useless Oba that started all this rubbish.

  • Igwe

    This is a healthy discussion with historical values. Please carry on.

  • Babawale

    I heard. That the current Oba of bini influenced the cancellation of teaching of Yoruba language in both primary and secondary schools in Edo state especially Benin city

    • Osagie Oluwakayode

      Very true.
      The Binis are desperately trying to separate their existence from that of the Yorubas, but both are inextricably linked since time immemorial. My town of origin is an example. There are some Yoruba settlements closer to Benin than some towns within Edo state.

      • Oladele

        I like your open mind. The facts are pagans dont tell the truth because they worship satan (his shrine is everywhere in Bini and most Yoruba land), they recently celebrated “Esu day” in Lagos. Bible says he is a liar and the father of it. So both the Ooni and Omo No’ba are both telling lies. What I want you to believe is that today I am free and that is what is important. Very soon we will have to abolish these waste called “traditional kings”

        • Igwe

          didirin!

        • otunne steve gofrey

          Lets go back to History. It is under Pa. Jeremiah Awolowo regime as premier of Western Region that he exalted Yourba Obas to equated Oba of Benin. The slogan then in Western Nigeria House of Kings was, ‘With The Presence of Ooni of Ife, Alafin of Oyo and Alake of Egba, every King in Western region is unneeded’.
          History had it that it was during this period that Olu of Ishekiri was exalted to Olu of Warri because he was a member of AG, This caused riots and loss of lives in the recent past between Ishekiris and the Ijaws. we are witnesses to this history.
          Oba of Benin is and remains number one Oba in Old western Region which is todays’ SW and part of SS.
          It is on history that that treat was part of what made none Yourbas in then Western Region to opt out and got Mid West region.

          It is better for these Baales to stop wiping up issues that will lead us back to the history of our conquered past.

    • Igwe

      what does that mean?

  • haced

    please make your contributions base on truth so that we young can learn. knowing that you can not turn the nature which Gad has made however you try.

  • Dejandon

    “That word Oba is indigenous to Benin. It is only in recent times you find everybody bearing Oba.”

    These words alone is enough to puncture the Chief’s argument.

    Sango died and there was coined “Oba k’oso” The king did not hang himself. Yoruba had the tradition of people who enjoyed life to the fullest as they were killed at the death of a King – names “ABOBAKU”

    Palace slaves were called ERU-OBA just like people adjudged to be criminals and punished to become Kings slaves.

    So Oba is not a recent invention in Yorubaland nor borrowed from Ile-Ibuni, aka Bini or Benin.

  • Felix

    You people should go to neutral history to settle the argument. There is no need to continue quoting each other’s history. that way, the argument will never end because everybody will claim theirs is right. The history of well recognized Bini kingdom is well documented in libraries all over the world; british, portugeese ,russian etc. Artefacts stolen from the Bini Kingdom by far outdate the yoruba culture and they are in museums all over the world. The kingdom’s organization by far exceeds the dates of the yoruba culture. The dynasties are well documented and a singular lineage remains till date as compared to different rulers fighting for superiority over people of a common language (can you imagine?). Please people should go for facts. This is not politics. You cant wake up and write history overnight. Period

    • Igwe

      are you talking about Bini Bronze works? You have kicked stone.

      • Felix

        That is all you can say, it shows you dont even know a dime about artefacts stolen from bini kingdom and so you quickly mentioned bronze. it also shows you are one of the bi-products of modern day nigerian politics. You didnt even mention 1 scientific reason why you said what you said. So you are not even qualified for me to quote facts for. Take a dive, please.

        • Adeola

          They learn all this bronze work from Ile ife. Ask your cheifs

  • otunne steve gofrey

    Only HRH Oba of Benin that is not a politician. He still carries royalty associated with kingship with ancestral caution, respect and dignity clear sign of superiority, these qualities are too faraway from other Nigerian Obas, Emirs and Ezes that campaigns for politicians, clear sign that they do not have royalty as inheritance but were ex errant boys in royal regalia, appointed by their tribes for political enhancement.

    Lets give honor to whom it is due, HRH Oba of Benin is number One Oba in Nigeria by his comportment, reaction and carriage on both the affairs of his kingdom and that of the nation.

    He is not an ex- area father that outburst electoral fears with threat of throwing Nigerian in the lagoon that we call oba in Lagos. Men.

    Those who calls themselves Obas, Ezes, Emirs should build respect and should never dabble into corruptible political system.

  • otunne steve gofrey

    Lets go back to History. It is under Pa. Jeremiah Awolowo regime as
    premier of Western Region that he exalted Yourba Obas to equate Oba of
    Benin. The slogan then in Western Nigeria House of Kings was, ‘With The
    Presence of Ooni of Ife, Alafin of Oyo and Alake of Egba, every King in
    Western region is unneeded’.
    History had it that it was during this
    period that Olu of Ishekiri was exalted to Olu of Warri because he was a
    member of AG, This caused riots and loss of lives in the recent past
    between Ishekiris and the Ijaws. we are witnesses to this history.
    Oba of Benin is and remains number one Oba in Old western Region which is todays’ SW and part of SS.
    It is on history that that treat was part of what made none Yourbas in then Western Region to opt out and got Mid West region.It is better for these Baales to stop wiping up issues that will lead us back to the history of our conquered past

  • sojdson

    Oduduwa migrated from Mecca to Egypt. From Egypt to the Sudan, he was said to have traveled down to Ile-Ife, Nigeria through Nupe Land in about 900 A.D. or 1000 A.D. The exact time is not yet known and that he was the acceptable leader with a personality which dominated the scene. He united the people he met there and established a Yoruba dynasty. Prominent among those people he met at Ile-Ife were Oreluere, a very powerful wiseman and Orunmila, Ifa Priest also known as “Agbonmiregun”. For instance, Agbonmiregun later became Oduduwa consultant. Others were the kings who now became traditional chiefs who perform different functions in the day to day running of the affairs of Ile-Ife.

    1. Obalufe – In charge of Iremo quarters

    2 Obajio – In charge of Ilare quarters

    3 Obaloran – In charge of Ilode quarters

    4 Waasin – In charge of Ilare quarters

    5 Obalaaye – In charge of Iraye quarters

    6 Akogun – In charge of Okerewe quarters

    7 Jagunosin – Appointed purely on merit

    8 Owajesi – Appointed purely on merit at community level

    The original people and founders of the Benin Empire, the Edo people, were initially ruled by the Ogiso (Kings of the Sky) dynasty who called their land Igodomigodo. The rulers or kings were commonly known as Ogiso. Igodo, the first Ogiso, wielded much influence and gained popularity as a good ruler. He died after a long reign and was succeeded by Ere, his eldest son. In the 12th century, a great palace intrigue and battle for power erupted between the warrior crown prince Ekaladerhan son of the last Ogiso and his young paternal uncle. In anger over an oracle, Prince Ekaladerhan left the royal court with his warriors. When his old father the Ogiso died, the Ogiso dynasty was ended as the people and royal kingmakers preferred their king’s son as natural next in line to rule. The exiled Prince Ekaladerhan died at Ogheton. They sent message to Oduduwa to give them one of his ground son to rule over them.

    Oranmiyan took up his abode in the palace built for him at Usama by the elders (now a coronation shrine). Soon after his arrival he married a beautiful lady, Erinmwinde, daughter of Osa-nego, was the ninth Enogie (Duke) of Ego, by whom he had a son. After some years residence here he called a meeting of the people and renounced his office, remarking that the country was a land of vexation, Ile-Ibinu (by which name the country was afterward known) and that only a child born, trained and educated in the arts and mysteries of the land could reign over the people. He caused his son born to him by Erinmwinde to be made King in his place, and returned to Yoruba land Ile-Ife. After some years in Ife, he left for Oyo, where he also left a son behind on leaving the place, and his son Ajaka ultimately became the first Alafin of Oyo of the present line, while Oranmiyan himself was reigning as Oni of Ife. Therefore, Oranmiyan of Ife, the father of Eweka I, the Oba of Benin, was also the father of Ajaka, the first Alafin of Oyo. Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo is a Bini spoken language all the Kings title in Southerner are Edo Language.

    • Izedomi Ohirein

      Oduduwa was Prince Ekaladeran lost Son of Ogiso Owodo of Igodomigo dynasty.
      Edo asked him to return home after the death of his Father, but sent his Son & heir Oromiyan instead.
      OBA of Benin is the first Son of Oromiyan – Oduduwa’s heir, by ERIMIDE {daughter of Enogie of Use}
      Alafin of Oyo is the 2nd Son Of Oromiyan by another Woman
      Ooni is a decendant of Oduduwa’s chief priest who occupied his thrown in the absence of Oromiyan & took the title Obamakhin [Edo Word] meaning, we are now Oba – A Reagent.

      • Profy

        Shola, its really sad that the black Cubans now know and cherish their Yoruba heritage more than those in Nigeria. They justify their negligence as modernisation,and rejection of an archaic tradition. They fail to realise that their’s nothing archaic about one’s heritage and nationality. In the last few weeks,the palace of Benin had to correct the South-West Kings that the title “Obá” has its origin in Benin. They went further by saying the word “Obá” mean “to shine” where as,in Yoruba language,it meant to descend on a thing or thrown. ‘Ęyę bá ni orí ìgí” They claim Oduduwa was their banished prince,while history said Oduduwa was running from religious persecution and arrived at Ile-Ifé at around 1120 C.E which coincide with invasion of North Africa by the Jihadist at the time,and his father’s name happened to be “Lamurudu” now,with regards to Edo,before Oduduwa’s grand son went to install kingship there,Benin was known by her people as “Igodomiigodo” and their kingship title is “Ogiso” why wasn’t it called “Òbá” before Oranmiyan went there? When Oranmiyan left Benin in anger,he installed his son, “Eweka” as the King,naming the place as “Ilę-Ibinu” which the British corrupt to mean “Benin” from there on,the King is referred to as “Omo n’oba n’edo” in Yoruba,it simply mean “Ómò Óba ni Ędo” meaning the son of King Oranmiyan in Edo. Edo itself is a Yoruba word meaning a base. Just like “Ado-Ekiti” up until recent,the official palace language of Benin is Yoruba. Even the queen mother in Edo is referred to as “Iyá Obá” “Iyá” in Yoruba mean “mother” more so,up until the time time of “Ovanramwen Nogbaisi” once Benin King dies,his head would be buried in Ile-Ifé (I’ll attach a picture) please,kindly research ur history…….

        • Izedomi Ohirein

          Please do your research & confirm the widely held view about the origin of Oduduwa , that he came from the East of Ile Ife & not from Egypt in far North West of Ife.[your came is illogical]. Benin is in the East of Ile Ife.
          Yoruba’s knew nothing about Lamorudu or Nimrod in the bible until after colonisation & after Ajayi Crowder translated the bible into Yoruba.
          We were told the story of Ekaladeran Son of Ogiso Owodo as children.
          Igodomido was renamed Edo by Oba Eware No Ogidigan after his Slave who saved his life. Your claims are outrageous & ridiculous.
          We believe that Ooni is an Edo Word – meaning “That’s him” Ile Ife is a corruption of Edo Word Ile Fe meaning, “I have run to safety” or wealth.
          Ooni of Ife is not a descendant of Oduduwa & can not claim Precedence over the throne of Ogiso Owodo, Oduduwa’s father or the throne of Eweka Oromiyan’s first Son.
          Ooni is not a descendant of Oduduwa’s , but that of his chief priest – the Old Man Oromiyan referred in his narratives when he returned from Benin & before his Oyo – Katunga expedition.
          What is important to me is that we are related through Oduduwa, whether by his Kingship or by descent as for some of us.

          • Profy

            U r d1 Dat need research. Why is the head of benin OBA is always buried IN IFE. Why did the name of Ur King change from Ogiso to OBA by Eweka. Why is the king mother called IYA OBA. Iya in Yoruba is mother while oba is king. Why were they speaking Yoruba in Benin Palace during Eweka and subsequent OBA.

          • Izedomi Ohirein

            Eware change our name to Edo, not his father Eweka.
            That the Palace is bilingual is not new. Oba head is not buried in Ife.
            Ooni Oguwusi – Osagangan Obamakhin would have long said so. What does Osagangan Obamakhin mean in Yoruba.
            Edo Akure speak Yoruba in Edo.

          • Profy

            U are gradually admitting. U try u called it bilingual. Atleast tactically u av started admitting Yoruba was d official language in Benin palace. Dat is the starting point that will unravel d remaining mystery to u. Knowledge is power. Don’t limit what u think u know go back to Benin palace. Ask dem why were Benin OBA head were buried in IFE at some point. That one is authentic with fact and place of burial. It is in IFE. Dele MOMODU is a Benin man Dat grew up in IFE palace. Go and ask him, he will tell u how he get to the palace. I won’t say more Dan Dat. When Ooni was talking he said that Benin Kingdom was part of Yoruba dynasty with facts as a back up. It is a fact that is known world wide. Now back to Akure. Not only Akure, Ekiti and Lagos….. Benin prince has dere presence their and I have never heard in history where Benin Kingdom and Yoruba ever go to War despite the fact the 2 of dem are warriors and have a very close border to each other. You know why because they are brothers. Any where Eweka lineage step on in Yoruba land will be given to him without stress bcos he has an access to it. It is his great grandfather land by the fact of d lineage.
            Yoruba has never argue that Benin Kingdom is not their brother. Am not talking of benin people. Dere is a difference btw Benin people and Benin Kingdom.

          • Izedomi Ohirein

            You are becoming insultive & annoying.

          • Profy

            When u can’t stand the truth…. It becomes insulting and annoying.
            If u can genuinely go back to d palace and ask them those question. U will find answer to all the question I raised. If I were u I will do a little research. I will visit both ife and Benin to get some facts. U don’t listen to one side. I have listen to both side…. Dat is why am telling u dis.
            It was those question I seek answer for and I found out Dat ife version was true.
            1. Orun Ado is the head of OBA of benin buried in IFE. Have u ever heard any Ooni or Alaafin buried in Benin… No
            2. It is a taboo and has never happen in the history of benin Kingdom for any OBA to leave his throne 4 his son to establish another Kingdom outside is domain. It can never happen according to Benin culture and royal tradition. So oranmiyan could not have left the throne for his son Eweka under any circumstances. That shows that he is not from Benin.
            When Awori need an OBA and sent for one from dere brother in Benin….. OBA of benin send one of the prince to lead and he was called eleko of Eko and later change to OBA of Lagos. So u see it is not possible for a Benin OBA to leave his throne.
            3. Have u ever seen a Yoruba and Benin go to War before. It has never and will never happen. U know why bcos they are brothers. As am talking to u now u if a Benin King want anything in Yoruba land… They will give him free of charge. U know why….. Because they are brothers.

          • Izedomi Ohirein

            King Mother is Iye Oba, not Iya. Iye mean Mother in Edo. Please listen to Uwafo’s record = Idusogie- Iye – Iye oo

          • Profy

            Ogiso is the name of Ur King. It is Eweka that change it to OBA. The word OBA is not Benin language. Even the Omo in Yoruba mean Son.

          • Izedomi Ohirein

            No Eware – Eweka’s Son changed it. Omo is Edo name or what Yoruba call Tayewo. younger of twines.

          • Profy

            U see dat is why I said it is Only Yoruba meaning Dat makes sense. Omo N’ Oba mean the Son of OBA in Yoruba land. Take ur ego and d lies forefather tells u. This is modern age. . U can make research and think logically. I have done extensive research on this history and I can tell u authoritatively that Oduduwa is from IFE and not BENIN.

      • Profy

        So why is Oduduwa buried in IFE, why is Oranmiyan buried in IFE, Orun oba Ado, the head of benin OBA is in IFE. It is a know fact today.
        Go back to Benin palace, ask them why was Yoruba was the official language in the palace.
        Oduduwa mean Odu to bi wa. Now Odu in Yoruba is the connecting dot of IFA. We have 16 of them. The iwa means behavior. Oduduwa mean when u imbibe the feature of Odu IFA… U will definitely be of good behaviour. Is just like saying if u imbibe the doctrine in the Bible, u will leave a good life. IFA is the most important features in Yoruba history and culture.
        Now u said Oduduwa left d throne for Oranmiyan and Oranmiyan in turn left the throne for Eweka. I have never heard in the history of benin for Father to leave his throne for his son. Are u telling me d present Oba of benin can leave the throne for his Son to establish another Kingdom…. Never. So ur story did not add up. The only logical reasoning here is that Oduduwa who is the father of Oranmiyan Dat begat Eweka is from IFE base on this simple and logical evidence even if u don’t want to admit superiority of IFE to Benin.
        If Benin has been in existence as far back as 300BC. How come one man will just come in 11 century and change the name of the place from Igodomigodo to Ile Ibinu and then change ur King name from Ogiso to OBA. Think brother… Think…

        • Izedomi Ohirein

          That Omo N Oba is first Son of Oromiyan heir of Oduduwa is not in question.
          That Ooni is not a descendant of Oduduwa, but that of his chief priest OSAGONGON who took the title Obamakhin is listed in Ife kingship from Oduduwa – Ogunwusi.
          Osagongon you spell Osagangan is Edo word meaning “God is happy”. Obamakhin mean Reagent.
          Edo was renamed by Eware N Ogidigan. I believe was my ancestor as well.

          • Profy

            Osan gangan mean the real Sun. We have Aaro, Osan and Ale. Meaning Morning, afternoon and evening. When Yoruba want to greet in the afternoon, they will say Ekaasan…..meaning Good afternoon. Gangan mean the Real. Osan has Sumtin to do with the Sun. If u can take ur time to learn Yoruba language u will understand how deep the language is. That is why is a mystery to u while Yoruba OBA prefer d title of dere domain to OBA. am sure u have heard of ABOBAKU, ERU-OBA before. This are Yoruba words…. Go and find out the meaning maybe u will understand. U see I will advise u to go and learn Yoruba language. Is a lingua Africa all over. Even Benin palace know this. It is a deep language. If they speak Yoruba language in Benin palace don’t u think most of this adaptation is from Yoruba land. Ile Ibinu is the name we give Benin Kingdom. OK another poser…. Why is it that Benin people bear Idowu, bose. Abi those words too are Benin language.

          • Izedomi Ohirein

            Yoruba language books brought to Edo in 1955 were given to Akara Women.
            Dele Momodu was of Edo Father born in Ife. He had a job in the Palace. We are Edo & not Yoruba.
            We rather introduce Edo in all Edo schools than Yoruba we rejected 1955.

          • Profy

            Hahahaha. Akara women indeed. Dat was d year ur OBA try to remove Yoruba language from Benin. Dat was d year Deh stop using d language. U see y I said u should go back to Benin palace for clarification. U av not answer my question ooooo… Many of dem. Can a father leave his throne for his son to establish another Kingdom outside his domain. Is dis part of Ur culture? Over to u brother ni

          • Izedomi Ohirein

            Ekaladeran N Oduduwa – Owodo was too old to return home to his to inherit the thrown of his Fathers, sent his Son & heir Oromiyan instead.
            That make Omo N Oba Ne Edo 1st among all those who claim Oduduwa as their King or Father.
            We pride ourselves on being biological children of Oduduwa. We are not Yoruba. We are Edo.

          • Profy

            Is Dat d reason why Ekalederan was buried in IFE and not BENIN. Is Oranmiyan also too old that he left the throne for his son Eweka. Is Dat also why Oranmiyan was buried in Ile IFE. Think brother….

          • Profy

            Come to think of it… If Ekalederan who suppose to be ur King sent his son to rule and the Son Oranmiyan sent his son too. Don’t u think Dat stool is too small for them. Don’t u think they don’t av regard for Ile Ibinu and they see it as junior Kingdom. Alternatively Don’t u think the SIT of power has been transfer from Benin to Ile IFE by your own logic. Can the throne of the son greater than his father. Think brother….. Think. Don’t be shy go back to ur elder in Benin palace and demand for answer. Don’t u see dat all ur point defy logic. U don’t have to allow pride and ego to destroy ur sense of reasoning. Make a little research. All what u r saying doesn’t add up. Think brother

          • Owaikena

            Profy ur jes making jes of what u think u no,ur not talking from a plain point of view.The king was too hold to come back home n to rule rather he sent is son and heir,and remind u Benin kingdom was one of the largest kingdoms in Nigeria at that time.

          • Profy

            He’s too old… Agree. Oranmiyan was also too old to have rejected Ile Ibinu and installed his Son as ur King. Does it make sense for ur 2 prince to av rejected to rule ur Kingdom. I only ask u guys logical question but ur respond defy logic.

          • Olusegun

            How can someone leave the largest kingdom for a smaller one? You Bini people need to swallow your pride and be coordinated in your history. I hear your derailed chief saying Oba is Bini word. This is laughable because the word Oba came to Bini only when Oranmiyan went there. Oranmiya changed Igodomigodo to Ile-Ibinu whihc you corrupted to mean Bini. He also changed the Kingship from Ogiso to Oba. Cant you use your skull head to infer that both Bini (Ile Ibinu) and Oba are Yoruba words? Your King Erediuwa said there exist an Obatala in Ile Ife when Oduduwa got there, how come Oba is present in Obatala name?

          • Profy

            Dele grandfather is a slave that leaves in oba palace. Ooni of IFE always get is slave in Benin sent by OBA of benin. Again go and ask in Benin palace. Ask dem why did they normally send slave to Ooni of IFE

          • Izedomi Ohirein

            Please stop insulting people & get your facts right. Dele Momodu’s & Dele Giwa’s Fathers worked at Ife for Western Nigeria,.Dele Momodu only worked at the Palace after studding Yoruba at University.
            There are no Edo Men as slaves. Please check up if you have ex-slaves claiming Edo ancestry as you Yoruba’s & tribes as slaves.
            The next thing now you will tell me that Aganga or Itse Sage are not Edo.

          • Profy

            Hahahaha haha. Dele Momodu is the Benin man Dat study Yoruba in school…. Very interesting. This Yoruba language must be a super language. Having said that, I didn’t mean to disrespect this people… Dat is just the fact. I have throw a challenge to u to verify from the palace why the benin Kingdom use to send slave to Ooni IFE. U don’t av answer to all my questions. We are not talking of a Aganga or itse sagay here… If u want to know the history of itsekiri and Lagos, I will also tell u my brother. Just give up. U don’t have answer to the few questions I throw to u.
            1. Why is ur so called Prince Ekalederan Oduduwa buried in Ile IFE
            2. You said bcos of old age that’s why he refuse to be a King. He sent his Son to become King and the Son Oranmiyan also left the throne to his Son Eweka.
            3. Has it ever happen in the History of Benin Kingdom for a father to leave the thrown for his son why he’s alive…. Hale and healthy to establish another Kingdom outside his domain.
            4. Can the thrown of the son greater than his father.
            5. Why is it that the previous OBA of benin head are buried in IFE.
            6. Why is Oduduwa and Oranmiyan buried in IFE instead of benin… Is that also part of benin culture not to talk of Royal House.

            Until u genuinely find answer to all this question, no matter how hard u try to argue it will defy logic.
            My brother just do a little research. I believe u r a graduate. Their is what we called Logic. It is a power of reasoning. U see if u seek knowledge u will find it. I have done extensive research on this matter. I came to Benin and spend 4 years in Dat town bcos of this issue. Believe me I can tell u authoritatively that Benin Kingdom is part of Yoruba dynasty.

          • Izedomi Ohirein

            You don’t even know where Oduduwa’s came from, we do.
            Benin thrown is Oduduwa’s Fathers thrown. Oduduwa’s Father – Ogiso Owodo was buried in Benin.

          • Profy

            Stop grandstanding oga… Answer those question.

          • Izedomi Ohirein

            I have said enough. You will be mistaking to think that Edo can be bullied.

          • Profy

            OK… Where does ur 1st Ogiso come from. Or where are Benin people come from. Answer please

          • Izedomi Ohirein

            We have no problem with our Ogiso. Only Yoruba’s have problem with where their King Oduduwa came from.
            We know that Omo N Oba Ne Edo & some of us are direct descendants of Prince Ekaladeran N Oduduwa – Ogiso Owodo.
            We are Edo & can never be Yoruba. The earlier you lean to respect that, the better for all of us.

          • Profy

            Who’s asking wether u have problem with ur Ogiso or not. That is not intelligent way to answer questions….. Where do Benin people come from? Abi u don’t know where ur people come from? Benin people are not Yoruba…. Benin Kingdom are d1 related to Yoruba. Their is a difference btw Kingdom and his conquered or subject…. A huge difference my brother. Am very sure u r still consulting ur elders why is Orun OBA ADO the head of OBA of benin were buried in IFE. U r still consulting why ur so called prince was buried in IFE and not BENIN. Why Oranmiyan left the throne for his son. U have not got an answer. Go to OBA palace and ask ur OBA can he vacate his throne for his son under any circumstances to establish another Kingdom outside his domain?. Once again Bini people Dat we name Ile Ibinu is not Yoruba but ur OBA is our blood. He’s a Yoruba man born by a Benin woman.

          • Owaikena

            So where did yoruba people originate from?

          • Profy

            I have answered that severally on write up here. In fact it will do u good if u go thru all my write up and why I conclude IFE is actually superior to BENIN.
            I ask a simple question where does Benin people originated from. U can’t answer data yet u r disturbing me with where Yoruba people migrated 4rm which have answer severally.

          • Profy

            Have said that severally on this fora where Yoruba people originated from. If u truly know ur history, u would have tell us where u originate from instead of grandstanding . atleast be proud of Ur heritage and ur origin. Even if u don’t agree Yoruba version….. Why not tell us ur story. We don’t mind even if the story was pass to u orally by ur forefathers.

          • Profy

            At what point did d word OBA find his way to ur dictionary. Up till 1120 ur OBA is refer to as Ogiso. A man will just change Dat name over night to OBA. Why?

          • Izedomi Ohirein

            Esagban of Benin has just educated you that no Yoruba king answered Oba in1942 when they met in Benin City.
            It might please you to know that Esagban’s ancestor was one of the chiefs that went to Ile Ife to plead with Ekaladeran N Oduguwa to return home Benin – to his fathers thrown.
            Obaship like Oduduwa originated from Benin. We are Edo as renamed by Oba Eware nogidigan- Oba Eweka’s Son..
            I tell you who I am. Please respect that.

          • Owaikena

            Now,You tell us why it was changed.

          • Profy

            When Oranmiyan son Eweka become ur King and cancelled the Ogiso dynasty and replace it with by bearing the title OBA of BENIN of N’ OBA of Benin… Meaning the SON of OBA of Benin. Now prior to that dynasty… We have words like OBATALA in Yoruba land even if u don’t accept the previous Monarch in Yoruba land. It is a fact that even ur Kingdom has not denied. The word OBATALA predates EWEKA dynasty.

          • Owaikena

            But ow com this place i mean Benin Existed b4 any yoruba land.

          • Owaikena

            Your funny before yoruba came to existence,the Edo kingdom has been there,xo wat r u sayn?

          • Profy

            Another word for Gangan is drum. They called it Ilu Gangan. Bros I can teach Yoruba free of charge. Every word has a mean. You talk of Obamakin. Let me also break it down 4 u. OBA as u know now is King. Akin mean a brave man. Akinkanju okunrin ogun. Is a word use to describe a fearless and brave man. So u can say Obamakin is a brave and fearless Royal. We have Ogunmakin, akinola, akinwale, etc.

      • Profy

        Beside what’s ur evidence that ur lost or missing prince Ekalederan is Oduduwa. Oduduwa never admit he has a name called Ekalederan. What if ur Ekalederan die in the bush. Their is another account that say this same Ekalederan die @ ogheton. Assuming he was buried in Benin cos I don’t see why Benin prince will be buried outside is domain, den ur story will make sense. Because I know Benin culture very well when it comes to burial not to talk of Prince and OBA for Dat matter. t does not make sense to me. U need a lot of explanation to convince me on Dat.

  • dudu

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  • Kickboxer

    you can have all the opinions you want but you can’t have your FACTS……Oba of Bini’s son went ahead to become the Ooni of Ife. That to all rational persons shows that Bini has significant impact or they own the Ooni stool. It never means that Binis are now Yorubas. Now, Yorubas may claim that Ooni of Ife from Bini is the father of all Yorubas and as a result claim that they are Binis too. But such a way of thinking has two fault lines. One, even if all Yorubas are descendants of the Bini Ooni of Ife, it does not mean that Binis are Yorubas as Yorubas are claiming. Two, Yorubas can’t make such a claim that they descend from Bini Ooni of Ife because Yorubas already informed us that their origin is from some guy who fell from the SKY aka Skyman) named ODUDUWA…..you see why we say that FACT IS A STUBBORN THING IT NEVER GOES AWAY…..

    Intelligent Yorubas and Nigerians should help the Oba of Bini to stop Yorubas from stealing the title of “OBA” and revert to the original names for the various kingships in Yoruba land….LET YORUBAS STOP EMBARRASSING THEMSELVES OR MAKING THEMSELVES A LAUGHING STOCK…..that is what OBA OF BINI is trying to say….hello?

    • Profy

      Shola, its really sad that the black Cubans now know and cherish their Yoruba heritage more than those in Nigeria. They justify their negligence as modernisation,and rejection of an archaic tradition. They fail to realise that their’s nothing archaic about one’s heritage and nationality. In the last few weeks,the palace of Benin had to correct the South-West Kings that the title “Obá” has its origin in Benin. They went further by saying the word “Obá” mean “to shine” where as,in Yoruba language,it meant to descend on a thing or thrown. ‘Ęyę bá ni orí ìgí” They claim Oduduwa was their banished prince,while history said Oduduwa was running from religious persecution and arrived at Ile-Ifé at around 1120 C.E which coincide with invasion of North Africa by the Jihadist at the time,and his father’s name happened to be “Lamurudu” now,with regards to Edo,before Oduduwa’s grand son went to install kingship there,Benin was known by her people as “Igodomiigodo” and their kingship title is “Ogiso” why wasn’t it called “Òbá” before Oranmiyan went there? When Oranmiyan left Benin in anger,he installed his son, “Eweka” as the King,naming the place as “Ilę-Ibinu” which the British corrupt to mean “Benin” from there on,the King is referred to as “Omo n’oba n’edo” in Yoruba,it simply mean “Ómò Óba ni Ędo” meaning the son of King Oranmiyan in Edo. Edo itself is a Yoruba word meaning a base. Just like “Ado-Ekiti” up until recent,the official palace language of Benin is Yoruba. Even the queen mother in Edo is referred to as “Iyá Obá” “Iyá” in Yoruba mean “mother” more so,up until the time time of “Ovanramwen Nogbaisi” once Benin King dies,his head would be buried in Ile-Ifé (I’ll attach a picture) please,kindly research ur history…..

  • International games

    My people.It seems we can be very idiotic o.Was there ever any people called Yoruba, or Igbo, or Hausa before the whites came? The only things that these different towns had in common was that based on where they went to market, they spoke a common language. There is no Yoruba or Igbo, or Hausa tribe per se. Just languages. Our people identified themselves by their home towns. Therefore, Oyo,Benin, Ife, Onistha, Kebbi, Nsukka, etc.
    Let us stop this display of ignorance. We are AFRICANS.

    • Izedomi Ohirein

      Obi Of Onitsha is the 2nd Son of Oba Esigie, namely Ikhimien.
      It on record that Eze Owere claimed Benin ancestry.
      Oba of Lagos is of Benin ancestry. You may not have past to be proud of, some of us do.

      • Owaikena

        Thanks for that my brother.The People of Edo state has one of the largest role in the Nigerian history even if we chose to forfeit it.

        • Izedomi Ohirein

          Edo is faced by people twisting history to soot themselves, using their numerical advantage over us.
          I was privileged as 1 of 5 Edo people to have discuss our future with Late Chief Enahoro. His advise was that we will be better off on our own if Nigeria were to disintegrate.
          That we will be much better off with our Urhobo, Isoko & Itsekiri bredrens who are largely of Benin ancestry.
          We can not allow ourselves to be used by any other tribe.

    • Owaikena

      Ur correct in some ways.

  • Izedomi Ohirein

    All Edo indigenes know that ODUDUWA was lost Son of Ogiso OWODO – Ekaladeran of Igodomido dynasty.
    Edo asked for his return home after the death of his Father & would not accept the rule of his uncle Ogiamien [Palace still at Sakponba Road – Benin City].
    Oduduwa, send his Son & heir Oromiyan instead. Oreyon returned to Edo where Erimide [daughter of Enogie of Use] was waiting for him as a bride & they gave birth to EWEKA. – {Owomika}.
    1. Eweka was First Son of Oromiyan heir of Oduduwa.
    2. Alafin of OYO is the 2nd Son of Oromiyan heir of Oduduwa – from a deferent Mother.
    3. Ooni of Ife is a descendant of Oduduwa’s Chief priest, who occupied his throne in the absence of his Son & heir Oromiyan & took the title Obamaikhin [an Edo word] meaning, “we are now OBA” [in effect a Reagent].
    Most Yoruba Oba’s are of Benin Ancestry. Descendants of Prince Ekaladeran N Oduduwa – Son of Ogiso Owodo.
    Benin Thrown is the credo of Yoruba Civilization. Ooni is an Edo word meaning – “That’s him”. Oba is Edo creation. No
    No Yoruba traditional ruler answered OBA before 1942. This is on record of Western Nigeria traditional ruler’s meeting held in Benin City in 1942. Only “Omo B Oba ne Edo” had the such title in 1942, in Western Nigeria with included Edo & Delta States.

    • Profy

      its really sad that the black Cubans now know and cherish their Yoruba heritage more than those in Nigeria. They justify their negligence as modernisation,and rejection of an archaic tradition. They fail to realise that their’s nothing archaic about one’s heritage and nationality. In the last few weeks,the palace of Benin had to correct the South-West Kings that the title “Obá” has its origin in Benin. They went further by saying the word “Obá” mean “to shine” where as,in Yoruba language,it meant to descend on a thing or thrown. ‘Ęyę bá ni orí ìgí” They claim Oduduwa was their banished prince,while history said Oduduwa was running from religious persecution and arrived at Ile-Ifé at around 1120 C.E which coincide with invasion of North Africa by the Jihadist at the time,and his father’s name happened to be “Lamurudu” now,with regards to Edo,before Oduduwa’s grand son went to install kingship there,Benin was known by her people as “Igodomiigodo” and their kingship title is “Ogiso” why wasn’t it called “Òbá” before Oranmiyan went there? When Oranmiyan left Benin in anger,he installed his son, “Eweka” as the King,naming the place as “Ilę-Ibinu” which the British corrupt to mean “Benin” from there on,the King is referred to as “Omo n’oba n’edo” in Yoruba,it simply mean “Ómò Óba ni Ędo” meaning the son of King Oranmiyan in Edo. Edo itself is a Yoruba word meaning a base. Just like “Ado-Ekiti” up until recent,the official palace language of Benin is Yoruba. Even the queen mother in Edo is referred to as “Iyá Obá” “Iyá” in Yoruba mean “mother” more so,up until the time time of “Ovanramwen Nogbaisi” once Benin King dies,his head would be buried in Ile-Ifé (I’ll attach a picture) please,kindly research ur history.

      • Izedomi Ohirein

        We do not have Edo ex-slaves like Yoruba’s.
        I have met people of Benin ancestry in Benin Republic, Togo, Rivers & Bayelsa States who are nobles.

      • Owaikena

        there is noting like iya oba,its Iye Oba.

  • Emmanuel Kadiri Owaikena

    The history of these two tribes were not properly documented,but I was able to gather some stories about these two tribes.

    These two tribes are related but the question is where are they From? History has it that they are cousins that migrated from South Egypt and they later parted way as the Bini’s decided to go further East.

    One other thing that kept them united till the fall of Bini Empire was the kingship.The First Ooni of Ife(Oduduwa) was a bini prince that was sentenced to death but the executioner did not slay him due to the likeness he has for the humble young prince.

    The Prince Ekaladeran was later found in the jungle on chains by the Yoruba’s who was waiting for the prophecy about their king being found in the jungle and the prince fits in.

    On arriving at Ile-Ife the first word he uttered was Ede-duwa(Oduduwa) which translates in Bini I ran into wealth because he treated as a king from the jungle to the town and when he was about to be crowned he als used another word Ile-fe(Ile-Ife) in Benin I have ran into safety.

    After many years there was no peace in the kingdom of igodomigodo(Bini Kingdom) after the death of the last Ogiso(Ogie or Oba) and after consulting an oracle they were told that until they return their prince that was led into the jungle to be killed but escaped there will no peace and they were told that he is now the King of Yorubaland.

    An emissary was sent to beg and bring back their prince on getting there he was now old and he refused to come back having settled and has meet wealth(Uwa) and Safety(Fe). But he agreed to send one of his son’s and that was Oranmiyan and that was how Oremiyan fathered the 1st Oba of Bini(Oba Eweka d 1st),before the fall of Benin Empire to the English the head of the Oba was taken to a sacred place in Ooni of Ife’s palace for Burial and before the coronation of the Ooni a message is always sent to Bini.

    These two tribes are related and even if history is re-written they will always be that link. It is never too late to make a change: do it now!

  • Tunji Oyewole

    My concern is that there is a claim that the word Oba came from the Benin’s not Yoruba. The Egbosan supported this claim by stating that, Oba of Lagos, olubadan of Ibadan, Alake etc given the tittles Oba, of late. Which factually are not tenable. The reason is this. All the afformentioned were under the Oyo empire. And most importantly the word Oba came into existence in Benin kingdom in around 1092 meanwhile the word Oba has been existing since the existence of Yoruba as a race itself.
    Please let’s not write with Bias but with contemporary facts. Disassociating the Oba of Benin from the Yoruba Obas is very wrong cos there tittles still remains Oba, not Obi, igwe, or Emir.
    Furthermore I suggest the Esogbon needs to find out more what qualifies an Oba in the Yoruba context cos with his statement, the Ooni of ife too is not and Oba. The words or let me say tittles like Alake, oluwa, Sounds, etc are in the Yoruba context Oriki orile i.e. Hailings of those Obas.